1 step forward, 10 steps back.......

hopefully the powder coater is a stand up guy and fixes it for you.
the dam frame looks sweet a few steps back but that close up is ugly
man that's ****s

 

That just plain ****s, Dan...sorry to hear and see that.
Hang in there, with your perceverance I know you'll turn this mess around.
Like others have said, give the powder coater a chance, he may surprise you with a resonable resolution.
It did look awesome though!

 

Yep Keith, another fine mess that I have gotten myself into
It is frustrating to see pictures of what looks like a rolling ch***is, but now is not.

Well, as it turns out I took the frame back to the coater to strip the frame back to bare..... Though he will work with me to make it right, the dilemma that I have is finding a bodyshop that will do the sanding to get the ch***is ready to coat again.

The other big obstacle with me is time. I don't have a weeks worth of sanding & prep work time to get this thing ready again. I think I am going to go the paint route once I recollect a bit. That way I can epoxy prime the frame, and do all the filling work without having it turn into a rusty mess again. And I can make it super straight in paint, since normal filler is so much easier to work with that the high temp filler for the powder coating.

With some luck I can again have it as a roller again within another month or so







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Ugh... I feel for ya man. Drop dead gorgeous ch***is though. I'm too hard on my stuff to have something as unrepairable as powdercoat. I love the powdercoat look though.

Coming from a sandblaster... i've stripped powdercoat off of items before. I HATE IT. It takes 4x longer than anything else that can possibly be on steel.

I just stripped some GTO parts for a guy that's powdercoating his entire car in panels.... Nope... wouldn't listen to me. Hope he never gets keyed or in an accident... that's a one time use car now.

Best of luck man, I hope things start lookin' up for ya.

 

Oh boy. Take a really really deep breath. Or a break. It will be good again, you owe it to yourself. Sorry to read/see the bad news.

 

sorry to hear that man. I kinda know how you feel, my dad's car has been around 10 years. It has fought us every step of the way. It's finally going to be done this year, and it will all be worth it. Keep your head up. This hobby wouldn't be any fun if it always went according to plan right?

 

Do you feel lucky??

How high-temp is this filler? As noted above, powdercoat is generally baked/burned off. If you're lucky there's a range where the powdercoat will burn but the filler won't. Do the legwork yourself before trusting the powdercoater to be an expert on your high temp filler, it may be as simple as turning his burnoff setting down a couple degrees.

good luck

 

Yeah it ****s when that kind of stuff happens. On the plus side; that ch***is looks fantastic !

 

just run it as is dude... tell everyone its "Macro flake"

its the new flat black

seriously tho, sorry bout this deal... its a real downer to get that far then see something like this.

 

Thanks for the support guys, I definitely appreciate. I actually got my frame back from the coater, and it is again in raw steel, where it seems to want to spend its life

The coater isn't able to do a bake-off(kind of sounds like a cookie contest). So they spent about 2 days sandblasting the frame back to bare. The frame sits back at my the shop again, waiting for something to happen. Maybe waiting for me to order a case off Gibbs. I guess I will finish dismantling the rear end to a bare housing again, and return the other 40 parts to them to sandblast to bare again.

I will probably take a short break for a while. It's hard to get excited about spending another day da'ing the frame smooth again.

Fiddy, the monster flake thing is not a bad idea. It may well be the next flat black. Or maybe the next flat black may be flat black-I may decide to bug bomb everything & actually drive the car



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Sorry to hear about that man. Well at least you caught it before you had the car completely finished. Imagine if you were doing the final wash beforeyour first show and all of the clear started peeling!

 

Yeah man, you are absolutely right about that. It ****s now, but it's fixable. It is what it is. It would **** WAY worse to have a completed car and that starts happening

 

That ****s...!

Since it's in bare metal again just Git 'r dun with POR-15...!

You're not getting out of our drag race that easy!!!

 

Ha, you're damn right! That's why I am thinking of leaving it all in bare metal-paint & primer=weight

Don't worry, I haven't forgotten you!

 

Dammit.

Well at least there fixing it... I know it ****s but you should jump right back into it...
the faster you get it done...the quicker you get it back...

good luck buddy.

 

Bummer... It does look freaking fantastic in the pics though! It'll be worth it when you're cruisin' and this is all a bad memory.

 

I would cry!!












And then I'd get my *** out there and get it right again.

Use regular filler/sealer/primer/paint. It's infinitely easier to fix road damage. You can tell everyone it's powdercoat, they won't know the difference.

In all seriousness, that ****S *** and I hope the powdercoater is a standup guy and helps you do a lot of the WORK that goes into the prep. Good luck man-
Danny

 

Thanks guys. I don't really feel like dealing with it right now. I am off on Sunday, so hopefully I'll get motivated to do some sanding then. Have I mentioned how much I HATE sanding.....

I am excited to again see it shiny though. I gotta give my empty wallet a bit of a breather. The good thing is that with regular filler, primer, & paint it should be easier to make look straight than the high-temp filler/powder road

 

Dan I feel so bad for you I'm not even going to bust your chop's for a few week's anyhow.I have to aggree with what alot of other's said Just paint that SOB and be done with it. Powder coating is nice but maybe a little overated. I'll see you in a couple week's at billetproof.

 

Ah hell, I'll survive. Yeah, I am definitely going the paint road. I am excited for Billetproof, that'll be a good time. I look forward to seeing you there. I'll bring you a piece of chipped off powder coat. It's quickly becoming a collectors item. If you're nice I'll even autograph it

 

Dan-

Your frame looks great! Just chalk this up as a learning experience. Whatever you do don't cut up this frame and start over.

I also sent you a pm with some questions when you have some free time.

 

probably one of the worst stories ive heard on here. and yea stripping powder coat is one of the worst things youll ever do, i completely understand painting it.

 

Oh MAAAAN! I'm sorry to hear this! I feel your pain! But you know what, you are a good builder and you've handled much more difficult tasks. I have faith in you as well as the "justice system" that it will get worked out. Keep your head up and stay positive. You are super far along and you're STILL just a hop, skip and a jump away from being done!

Keep us posted Dan! We'll be watching!

ScootS

 

Sorry to hear about this. I know that this is just my opinion, but I think that with the attention to detail and those great welds, I would just have had it clear coated to show it off more. It looks great in the black, too bad about the clear coat.

Keep at it, it will be fantastic when it is totally done.

 

Hang in there. If you think about it, great cars are always built twice. They're awful good on the first go-around, but the second is what puts em over the top.

Your frame just had a sh*t-ton of sanding & blasting. If it was good before, it only gets better this time. It's gonna be insanely smooth & free of imperfections.

good luck

 

I talked to Don about this when it happened, and was sad to hear of your bad experience. On Clubhotrod I talked him through all the steps to do the body work properly, and blah blah blah.

You guys and the body shop did an awesome job on the filler, as it is a ***** to work with.

The proper steps would be, just to clarify for your frame would be

1) media blast, or sand the frame down to bare clean metal
2) Iron Phosphate wash to further remove any left over contaminate, or oils.
3) apply the Powder Coat filler product, the cure in oven, or at room temp for 24-48 hrs
4) sand your *** off
5) apply a second coat if needed
6) sand your *** off some more
7) clean off sanding dust, sand any blush rust away
8) clean all other contaminates off with solvents, and tack rags
9) Apply primer coat and cure for 1/2 the cure cycle
10) block the entire frame again
11) repeat steps 7 and 8
12) apply color coat, cure for 1/2 cure cycle
13) let cool completely, and apply clear for full cure cycle

Ok, now the reason you only run them for a 1/2 cure cycle between coats is to promote inter coat adhesion.
The way to do this is while in the over the powder melts, and for a brief period liquefies. It is a balancing act of curing the first coat of powder
enough so the 2 colors do not liquefy at the same time and bleed into one another, and that the first coat is still tacky enough for the second coat to adhere to.

So
the first coat is applied to "flowed out"(which means is no longer liquid, but still ply-able) then the second coat is applied, and flows out on to the first coat, and they "melt" together, and so on.
I have done 5 coats, sent it off to PPG's lab for testing, and had good inter coat adhesion between all coats, and not over cured the powder.

Alot of places claim to be custom powder coaters, or are production shops that do not know how to do custom, and do a substandard job.... then threads like this start

You can leave powder on for 9 days in it's powder form, then put it in the oven, and have it cure just fine, so sitting over night is no problem.
In fact when we do car body's sometimes it takes a week from the time we apply the first coat, until the last coat.

I wish you guys were in Ohio, the night Don called me about this it made my wife and I sick to our stomachs. dealing with things like this is why we got our own powder coat set up when we we building cars. seems most powder coaters we dealt with did not do the quality, or meet a dead line.. pissed us off.
Then powder took over once people found out we did it, and did it well.

enough blabbering, I think I touched on every question I could remember.

I hope you find a solution that works good, and you get that ****er on the road soon!!

Josh

 

What Streetwerkz is trying to say is, you will have sanded your *** completely OFF by the time you are ready to go to powdercoat again.

Dan, if I was closer I would be right over there to help ya' strip that thing down! Lord knows you've helped me plenty with advice and what not over the years!

 

so whats the word?

 

****

 

Oh... you meant from Dan?