Going to pick it up tomorrow morning. I'll post pics when i get them uploaded. This car is going to be passed along or traded.
Front guards are different as well cut away not squared like 28 29 in NZ assembled cars it was not uncommon to get Ar guard on one side 28 29 on the other
Here is a page that has a lot of the little features unique to the early Model A's. As for the open versus closed bumpers, the open bumpers were only used on the first 200 cars. I have only seen 1 real set of front bars. They were similar to the Model T ones but are a different length. All the pictures taken from the Model A Restorer's Club page, a great club to belong to if you enjoy Model A's. Sorry the picture is huge but you get the point. -Tim
No, the hand brake on a T and early A have nothing in common other than the side of the car they are on. I have to give the HAMB family a lot of credit, you guys have given a lot more friendly information on early "AR's" than the guys on the Ford Barn. Bob
Anyone wanting an "aero" advantage with a 28-29 body can either fill the crevasses to their liking or use the currently available fiberglass bodies where they are almost non-existant -- including the coupe' pillar.
YA, i think if the ford barn guys smell hot rod you might get snubbed. I have an ar rpu. Always wanted to know the production numbers of earl rpu's but never found any info.
Well i just got home and needless to say empty trailer. The 28 is rusted bad. Needs cowls replaced, doors, lower quarter, substructure. I made him an offer and we were about $1000 apart from each other. It was built in Dec. 27. He said he'd think about my offer, but i don't feel that he's going to call anytime soon. It's a shame. The car has been garaged it's life, so he said. We walked into the garage and you could feel the dampness. Concrete walls were crumbling. A basement garage of a storage building, about 150 years old. Interior was wasted also. Really mislead me on the details of it. Anyways, sorry guys. Maybe another day if he calls.
Actually that is incorrect. As having a one owner very early Model A "AR" and a '29 Sedan the AR does have some carry over parts. Pickup the book Henry's Lady by Ray Miller. Has come good shots of the carry over parts. Good source for the A fan and collector.
Perhaps my comment that they share "nothing in common" was too strong. I'd be interested to know what parts specifically are you referring to? I have a complete 1922 T chassis, 80% of an 'improved car' (26-27) chassis, and a complete AR chassis - I'm not seeing anything that could possibly interchange (except, perhaps, the lug nuts). 26-27 coupe and 28-29 CCPU doors interchange and certain panels on the RPU beds are similar...interested to hear more about this.
AR also used Model T drum tail light mounted on a round cast bracket mounted to the body, not the fender. The early headlights did not have the ford logo stamped on them. I have seen the T emergency brake mounted in the later position on the transmission.
I've heard the tail lights were the same too, but evidently they're not; 24-27 "T"; 28-29 Drum Tail light; There was an accessory stop/tail lamp available through the Ford dealer network for the 26-27 "improved" T's that looks similar, but it was not a 'factory' part.
The 1926-27 T accessorie STOP light is larger than an A Stop light. The T stop light is the same as the one used by Dodge Brothers and Hupmobile, only the logos differ. Spendy parts if you can find them. Bob
Bringing up an old thread here, Does the frame work of the visor being fully covered in the long grain vinyl have anything to do with it compared to a painted solid steel one?
Framework? If it's a hollow frame it's off a pickup, not a passenger car. All the passenger cars had a tin visor.
Ok, here's SOME stuff I've read about the AR from books (judging standards, model a service bulletins, collector's originality guide and the ford model a as henry built it) and trust me I'm going to miss a lot of things. Front fenders Hood louvers Parking brake handle location Bumpers (flat ends) Bumper clamps Ignition cable conduit Steering wheel Lug nuts Black windshield frame Front cross member Carb Brake cross shaft The list goes on and on. So far in my reading the 2 things that stick out as being carried over from the model T is the interior mirror bracket and the front bumper clamp.
And: beaver tail rear fenders cast iron hood hooks bottom edge of hood rolls upward (a couple variations of this?) grille shell crank hole cowl sides in lacing area high rear window on trucks wheels brake drums rear wishbones front wishbones taper halfway I've started collecting AR stuff for a CCPU I'll put together some day.
That banger roadster is really neat, BUT the rodded version seriously competes with the ultimate highboy roadster, that of course being the venerable DEUCE. Please, no hatemail. I am just the messenger, and , as we all know, etched in stone means etched in stone. Oh, shit. I already hear the keyboards buzzing away.
Your answer is amazingly close. The valve that holds the air in the tires was a carry over. In fact it was carried over for many years. Except for the cars with sensors incorporated into the valve they are used today. Charlie Stephens
You have been told it is a dec 27 model. Go back and get an engine number, if it is really low, the car could be worth a lot , even if rusted. The first model A went on sale on dec 2 1927. As mentioned with the first 200 cars having open ended bumpers, the early cowls have slots where the lacing weaves in and out, instead of being riveted . And one cowl on ford barn had a stamped in ford logo in the cowl, which was then covered over by the usual badge on the outside.
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