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1928 model A spindles Safe??

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by voigtspeed, Mar 29, 2007.

  1. blown49
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    He might after his gets off of his bicycle after delivering his newspapers. He must be all of 14 years old!
     
  2. bobw
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    This started out as a reasonable question. Here are some approximate dimensions for comparing spindle strength:
    Inner bearing I.D.OUter
     
  3. bobw
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    Sorry about the above response; I hit the wrong key and it prematurely posted.
    Outer brg. I.D. Inner brg. I.D. Kingpin dia.
    Model A 1.192 .750 .812
    Ford F1 1.314 .750 .815
    Mustang II 1.243 .863 NA

    I don't have a '32-'48 Ford spindle to compare, but guess it would be in the range between the Model A & the F1. There is a little more 'meat' around the kingpin bosses on the F1 spindle. It is used in a much heavier vehicle than a Model A. If the spindles are on an existing car, I would take it to a public scale and weigh the car with the front wheels only on the scale. Compare that weight with the front end weight of a Model A or maybe a '48 Ford sedan. If it is close, I'd wouldn't worry about the spindle size. The front end weight with the 440 might not be too severe depending on how far behind the axle the engine is located. Avoid wide front rims with a lot of reverse.
    Most Model A's were not driven a lot of miles. But if there is any concern about fatique, get them crack tested. Many rodders are using CAST reproducion early Ford spindles. My sense is a forged Model A spindle should have as much if not more shear strength than a new, cast spindle.

    The guys that are having the pissing match should find a Mental Health web site instead of using this site for their playground.
     
  4. I'd guess for a "T-bucket" style chassis (I wouldn't use 'rodent' descriptions here on the hamb; you'll always find someone's having a 'heavy flow day') you'd probably be okay. I'd look 'em over real good - just like any seventysomething year old suspension part.

    Guys ran old Ford spindles that were turned down to 3/4" all the way along the snout to take motorbike wheels on their old dragsters. Again, it's a question of how much weight, how much tire, and how much brake is going to be on the spindle.

    The "A" spindles should be easy enough to find, since guys put later brakes on the early cars, and some of 'em will probably shitcan the original spindles.

    So, how 'bout a little more detail on the car. Engine setback, front brakes, etc.

    I'm real curious to know, since I have a (stalled for lack of finances) 440/727/MG TD project with a '46 Ford front axle on the back burner. So this whole RB block and beam axle is dear to my heart. Do an intro and show us where you're at and where you want to go. There are a lot of good guys here who'll take the time to PM, email, or call ya' and give you some good advice. And there are some extremely skilled craftsmen here.

    One more thing:
    X2.
    Forchristsfuckingsake guys, some FNG came here with a serious tech question. But he dared to use the "R" word to describe his car. Is a page and a half of menstruation really...
     
  5. Scarebird
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    According to a service bulletin, Mopar changed both the inner and outer bearings to facilitate larger stubs in late 1972 due to failure issues . The inner went from 1.25" to 1.377", the outer from 0.750" to 0.866". This was on the intermediate, and full size cars (Charger, Fury etc). They later went back to the 0.750", but kept the bigger inner, even as the cars were downsized.

    I build disc conversions for a living, and Mopar stuff, other than 1960-72 9" spindles, are pretty stout. That vintage is also forged. The thought of 1.18" inners holding up a 440 leaves me cold- get these magnafluxed at the minumum.

    ps- I wonder what the purists here think of my next project- a 87-88 Turbo Coupe drivetrain in a 1973 MGB-GT?
     
  6. voigtspeed
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    Thanks for the positive input.

    also if there was a place to post a intro i did not see it only a profile.

    Where do you post a intro?

    I have been professionally building cars for over 20 years and they all are built safely. that was the reason for the question.

    this car will have the apearance of a (RAT ROD) but will be mechanicaly and structurally sound .

    I would enjoy living long enough to finish my 2 lifetimes of projects...

    This computer thing seems to make some people feel bigger than they are i wonder what they would say to my face .

    My guess nothing at all..........

    Thanks again to the open minded.



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  7. Yeah, but it's holding up a real light car with a 440. And that whole motor's gonna be way behind the center of that axle. Probably not anywhere near the load as in a Dart with a 318, A/C, and all the bullshit.

    And I think that the TC drivetrain in the MGB would probably be a hoot. Would you swap EEC-IV into the car, or go megasquirt?

    I'd say, "Anybody putting a 440 in a car that small is sick. My kind of sick!"

    But yeah, the drama gets pretty fucking thick around here. Hence my sign out line...
     
  8. pecker head
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    fucktard ??? whats that ???
     
  9. Scarebird
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    probably EEK! supposedly a very flexible system, and would come with the donor car. Lotsa guys do the 2.8 chevy/T5 gig- nah, too easy.
     
  10. pasadenahotrod
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    OK. The Ford passenger cars, 28-48, and Pickups, 28-47, use the same inner and outer wheel bearings. The kingpins are the same diameter for passenger cars, 28-48 and pickups, 28-52. Early kingpins, 28-36 are hollow and have cups up top fro mechanical brake levers and rods. Later kingpins can be used just notch the pin for the retainer bolt in the axle at the right place.
    Hydraulic brake adapter kits for using 39-41 or 42-48 brakes on 28-36 spindles are available, consisting of 2 backing plate centering rings and 2 bearing spacers.
    The 37-41 and 42-48 spindles have slightly shorter stub axles than the 28-36 spindles.
     

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