Hot Rods 1932 Roadster Lost history ?

Disregard this ****ty picture(damn photo of my monitor).....but use the blue lines and arrow to revisit positions on post pictures 57, and 56. I can't transfer this damn version zoomed and arrowed for some reason.

Holes from left to right starting at the big blue arrow height. Each hole, just to right of arrow down lines.



lol eye test I guess....hell maybe me and MissysDad are failing.....but I don't think so sir.....Rex? Where ya' at man ? Beer us !! We're drowning here.

 

No, I can't see that one....but hang on. I'm going to buy us some beer okay ? Should I get a six, or just stop with two? I'm leaving in 5 minutes.

 

The black dots you are referring appear to be way to high to be the snap holes filled in. There should be two more snap holes in line with the one that is already in the body and the two on the door. They are either filled in and we can't see them or this is not the same body. This is what I mean.




I realize these are different sides of the car but they are the best two pictures of the snaps and holes on the current body perhaps they were not the same from side to side. That being said in looking at different pictures of the car from first to second version they may have been moved. They look much higher on the curve of the body in the pictures with the cut down doors than in any of the pictures of the first version. and are not in line with the door snaps as they are on the first version of the car.

 

Not the big holes....the little ones. Micro dots. Two.

Those holes you're looking at are big enough to put a finger thru.

That's all you get out of me. Been fun. Build the car ! Have fun everyone. MissysDad, I'm drinking your beer sir.....but I'll getcha' next time. Hit me. Take care !

 

Nah, man. Beer ain't gonna help. The dent also shows up in the photo of the body on the skid just posted by K13, as do the three small holes he apparently can't see. The holes and the dent are just above the right end of the circle he drew and do appear to be different than the ones on the other side...which appear to be different from one incarnation of the car to the next. Very interesting...

Just maybe Duffy used a different body when he channeled the car, and the one we are discussing is the first one, when it was a highboy. The photo facts seem to support this theory.

Ah, hell. I'll take one of them beers...

 

I see the three small holes but they do not correspond with the snap location from the first version of the car. The holes are big on the current version of the car but they are in the right positions for the original location of the snaps regardless of their current size, other than the two missing ones on the body. They are located in the same positions on the other side as well which would correspond with the first picture I posted. If this is the original body there should be 4 holes (two on either side) that have been filled that are in line with the three holes currently there.

 

Rex has already said the body did have a roll pan but it was removed. Best way is get Mike Spacek or Pete Eastwood to look at the photos of the rear of Duff's roadster and ask if the roll pan is the same as the one that has been removed, if it is the same it is Duff's roadster.

 

The windscreen post look awfully the same. The holes in them now could have been done in last 65 years.

 

I am certainly not saying it is not the same car just saying if the two original holes that are not apparent on the current body are not there (filled) then it is not the same body.

 

Jimmy those are the holes we see too. Itty bitty little *******s that's for sure. Sure does make a couple fellas' look like yahoos.......pretty fun squinting though.....what the hey right ?

 

What a great post! I'd really like to see some photos of Jimmy B's research files, do you have folders on all the old Dry Lakes cars or just go on a wild search based on memory like I do? I have nothing to add other than the fact the Ford snap holes were about 3/8 of an inch, and the three in question were the self tapping screw in type. The two large holes in the windsheild stantions are the stock ones for attaching the accessorie wind wings. I've sold race cars too soon, and regret not doing enough research, hope this one turns out well. Bob

 

The spot to which Jimmy B's red line labeled "filled" points is the dent I spoke of earlier. Perhaps it is a distortion of the metal from the filling process, but it can be seen in both photos...if one squints.

 

Are you talking about the snaps in the quarter or doors?
This is a good comparison below of the doors

 

I'm not trying to hijack the thread but I am looking for any old photos of the roadster in the photo. The photo was taken in St. Louis circa 1950-51. Jimmy you are a wealth of information. Any chance you have seen something like it? The remnants of newspaper in the driver's door was from LA Examiner in March 1947.

 

I do write certain bits of info down, but mostly it is in my head. I see something that triggers things I have seen then search the relevant books, programs, newsletters (CT news), magazine, saved images etc

 

I am saying the holes in the doors seem to match the original version of the car and the one large one that remains in the body also looks to be in the right place so if it is the same body there would be two more filled holes (probably not as big as my guess is these holes were enlarged to be fixed due to cracking around the original holes) that should be lower on the body than the small holes that seem to correspond to the second location of the snaps. I am not trying to refute that this is the same body just saying if the extra holes behind the door are present and filled it adds more evidence that this is the same body but if they are not there than it is likely that it is a different body.

 

G'day Karl, off the top of my head I don't recall seeing your roadster, was it channelled in CA or MO? I suppose that is part of the mystery! If the filler cap was from when it was in L.A. that could be a distinguishing feature. I will keep an eye out if I find anything I will message you.
Cheers
Jimmy

 

Thanks Jimmy. Also, I plan to start a thread on it soon with some more information on it.
Cheers,
Karl

 

The body at one time was a dark blue maybe the stock Ford blue before the turquoise color was painted. there is even evidence of the dark blue on the dash. The photo of the Duffy 32 shows just the instrument cluster and not the whole Aburn dash with glove box like this car. I believe that the frame was kicked up in the rear but with the the full sub frame still intact from the b pillar forward i don't think that this car was ever fully channeled. I would love to think that this car is the The Duffy car but there is just not enough support especially when you compare this body to the channeled version.


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For inspiration, this Potivin Cam roadster was reconstructed from old photos from the late Don Broyles. The builder didn't have complete do***entation but adequate similarities to go ahead with the restoration using the photos and built a winner. If you are not trying to p*** it off as the original why not build it to what you think it was. Rex, with your talents it too will be a winner. How is the snow today?

 

With the subrails still in the subject body, it could have been channelled the "easy way" by slipping the body over the frame and bolting the subrails underneath the frame. Then you'd need to cut the wheelwells for clearance.

But I still don't think these are the same car. No evidence of the lower door mods, and even if these were carefully removed and new doors installed, there would have to be some grinding marks somewhere.

 

This positioning of holes does look very similar to me.

 

Thank you for the additional pics Rex. Have you talked to Pete Eastwood or Mike Spacek, about looking at pics of the Livingstone roll pan to compare with the one removed from this body? Had the roll pan been present it would have been simple yes, no.

 

Were the side curtain rod holes on the top of the doors filled? If so the doors on the red primered body have been replaced, or it is a different car. Bob

 

******, ok probably not Duff's car

:edit: Rex if you can still get pix of the body before the rollpan was removed that will help match to any other channelled '32s.

 

Wed haven't given up on the roadster yet, there is no rush to build it right now so we have the time to dig in a little deeper and see what we come up with. Harry Vanderwick owned the car from the 70's to the 2000's and Al Blacburn owned the car from the 50's to the 70's. this is the information that Mike Spacek provide us on the roadster. We have few leads to follow up on now. Sometimes just finding out where a car has been is just as fun as building it, but it would be great to see this roadster back out on the road again.

 

Just read the whole threat, and liked it.

When you are gonna build it, will it be channeled of unchanneled?
I really fig it channeled, and since there was so few it would be a shame to unchanneled it.

And I wandered about that it I Jimmy B it changed hood a couple of times, and motor some times too?

Is it correct to think that the Livingstone car ran a flathead unchanneled with one hood, but also ran channeled and FladCad at another point, and ford could have Von changed to fix the reveal issue?

 

In post #80, referring to the pic of the dash, I'm pretty sure that the glove box door is '33 Desoto.

 

That's what I noticed... Your blow ups are great!