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Projects 1938,39,40 Sloper Custom

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by X38, Nov 4, 2020.

  1. Or...

    I figure that by the time I find a better one, pay for it and pay more money for it to be blasted, I may as well have a crack at fixing this. My time is very cheap - although running out - I do want to get to drive this thing!
     
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  2. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
    Posts: 2,800

    Outback
    Member
    from NE Vic

    So pleased you have gotten back into this! It's such a cool car!
     
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  3. wstory
    Joined: Jul 4, 2008
    Posts: 1,821

    wstory
    Member
    from So Calif

    So happy to see your project resuscitated! Gives me incentive to "get on with it" before the lights go out!
     
  4. Jacksmith
    Joined: Sep 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,743

    Jacksmith
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    from Aridzona

    Most excellent!! That grille is a thing of pure style & grace... I look forward to seeing your execution of making the grille to hood side-panel transition. (For what it's worth, I like the other dished wheel cover... looks classier)
     
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  5. Geez, it seems these cars all went through similar experiences and have the battle scars and wounds in the same places to prove it!

    If you get a chance, could you post a few pictures of the bottom of your hood side panels where they attach to the fasteners at the fenders? Mine are all buggered up in that area and I'd like to see approximately what I need to duplicate.

    Thanks...and again, you're rockin' your build!
     
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  6. The 39 guy
    Joined: Nov 5, 2010
    Posts: 3,639

    The 39 guy
    Member

    Wow, that fender is junk! But you will fix it and we get to watch!
     
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  7. How's this?
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  9. I'm afraid this isn't going to be a very good report because I didn't take progress photos. I thought I had some, but no.:(

    Anyway, The fender to cowl shape was wrong, the arch of the fender was flattened as seen in the pic a couple of posts above. What I did was take a pattern from the good side and determined the extent the shape was out.
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    To get back to the correct shape I cut out a new inner lip using the template and made it long enough to extend several inches each end beyond where the fender line came good again.
    I cut out a section of fender lip, the bad part and bolted the inner and outer fender on...and these to the running board as well. With these in place I sandwiched the piece I had cut out between the fender and the cowl (no bolts involved there) and once in the correct place, tacked it where the fender line was correct.

    From below, using bits of wood I pushed the wayward part of the fender up into position and tacked it to the new lip. Eventually the crown to to the new correct shape. I the cut out and put in a patch where this mis alignment was as well.

    I then took the fender off and fully welded the new lip while removing the remnants of the old.
    IMG_3227.JPG

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  10. Jacksmith
    Joined: Sep 24, 2009
    Posts: 1,743

    Jacksmith
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    from Aridzona

    That's a lucky car you have there, friend...
     
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  11. Working around the fender, I come to the rear outside corner that bolts to the running board. It's not in good condition so I cut out and made a new section. By the end of this process I remembered to start taking pictures!

    IMG_3177.JPG
    Area for surgery:
    IMG_3176.JPG

    New piece in:
    IMG_3184.JPG

    Ready to weld the corner join. You can also see another weld half way along the bottom fender lip. That had an old welded split. Unfortunately the lip was caved inwards when they welded it. I re cut it, got the curve back and re welded it. (How many splits were in the fender? What a life!)
    IMG_3185.JPG

    With doublers etc. in place. The corner is now good again.
    IMG_3187.JPG
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2022
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  12. Moving along to this corner.
    IMG_3179.JPG

    First, liberate the rod that has been welded into the lip as reinforcement. This rod goes all the way to the front of the fender. I'm just taking out a section for this part of the work.
    IMG_3201.JPG

    I took a pattern of the corner shape and transferred that to a block of wood to form the corner over. I banged the edges over 90 degrees. Around the actual corner radius I only used enough material to form half the lip. Too much puckering otherwise. I needed to also make the inside tab for the fender brace, so I formed the rest of the radius with that and welded the pieces together. I formed the remainder of the lip over a T dolly in a vice.
    block.JPG
    IMG_3197.JPG

    inner corner.JPG

    I need to take a pic of the finished job.

    As a side note, the metal I used was the section of rear fender I cut out when I did the fuel door.
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2022
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  13. A1 ? I think, the one in Lonsdale SA. Good as far as I can see, and many attest.
    BTW, I've never seen a '38 Ford where the grille looked as right as it does on this car. At least, not in any photos. It looks right here.
     
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  14. Okay, the finished job. You'll see some undressed weld on the inner lip on the arch. That will go when I do the full arch lip replacement. I'll probably join that in an inch or so closer to the corner than the weld there.

    Inner fender corner.JPG

    outer fender corner.JPG

    Next will be moving onto the lower front of the fender. The whole area below the headlight has accident repair and is way out of shape. Until next time, I appreciate the interest.
     
  15. hudson48
    Joined: Oct 16, 2007
    Posts: 3,120

    hudson48
    Member

    With this weather we are having now you may as well stay in the garage and keep working.
    I am so sick of this rain that never wants to stop. La Nina is at fault.
     
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  16. Unfortunately I am not retired, but a nice thought.;)
     
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  17. Very nice metal work Tony.
     
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  18. Moving to the lower front or the fender now, the area below the headlight. This is one of the most obvious accident damage/repair locations. I guess the stove in area was banged out to a generally smooth condition with little concern for the actual shape. At least that's what it seems like. It's quite an inward yet compound curve below the headlight but on this fender it was relatively flat. Fortunately the other one is in perfect shape so I did a lot of checking and comparing with a small profile gauge to determine what's what.

    I made a cardboard profile to determine what I needed to do shape wise on the lower lip and as you can see, it was way out!
    front fender lip shape pre repair.JPG

    I also had a couple of patches to do as well. This one and the section where the bumper irons project (a shitty old repair with braze, as seen in a pic in a previous post)
    IMG_3214.JPG
    As a help I made inner and outer profiles in thick ply to act as a kind of clamping buck to hold the shape once I had the lip curve about right. Some judicious banging brought the area under the headlight into the acceptable zone. Between this and getting the lip contour right things improved a lot, much to my relief (I'm making this up as I go.)
    fender shape buck 1.JPG
    Here you can see my initial rough cut out of the bumper slot. The patch was a little bigger, with rounded corners.
    front fender patch 1.JPG

    Looking better:
    front fender patch 2.JPG

    I'll cut out the bumper slot at a later date. It's easier to work on with the continuous surface for now.
     
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  19. Better shape
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  20. This is how it looks on the car. Much better than before.
    ps front fender.JPG

    With the fender on the car I thought I would attack the wheel arch. As seen in previous pics, this one was very bad.
    ds front fender.JPG
    From the lower radius patch all the way to the area I just finished at the front, that piece of rod is welded in, in addition to many old repairs. I'd like to cut that all out and put in a whole new wheel opening. I didn't like the idea of having to make that, but luckily I have another right side fender. It's from a Standard, but fortunately, the lip is in pretty decent shape. No rod welded in and only one (butcher) repair in the usual location.
    donor fender.JPG

    So I cut a section out and dropped it in my de-rusting tank. Actually, a kitchen rubbish bin, so it didn't fit in whole, but this was a result after a week.
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    The lip is good inside.
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    My chemical of choice is plain white vinegar. The cheapest home brand stuff from the supermarket.

    I cut it in two to get the job done and here it is with the wheel arch pattern I made.
    lip patch 1c.JPG

    I cut out the old repair, formed a new section of lip and commenced tacking it together while checking against the pattern.
    lip patch1b.JPG

    lip patch 1.JPG
     
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  21. manyolcars
    Joined: Mar 30, 2001
    Posts: 9,343

    manyolcars

    I like your car
     
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  22. wstory
    Joined: Jul 4, 2008
    Posts: 1,821

    wstory
    Member
    from So Calif

    I admire your apparent fearlessness for tackling a seemly impossible goal. I'll never achieve your level of competence but seeing your journey is certainly inspiring. Thank you for sharing.
     
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  23. Outback
    Joined: Mar 4, 2005
    Posts: 2,800

    Outback
    Member
    from NE Vic

    Looking good!
     
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  24. This is the finished piece, ready for trimming and installation. (Not fearless, this is the scary part!)
    lip patch 2.JPG
    Thanks Bill, but I beg to differ...you do real well.
     
  25. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
    Posts: 21,373

    alchemy
    Member

    I highly recommend making the cuts, fitting, and at least tack welding the patch while the fender is solidly bolted to the car. LOTS of strength in that arch, and I'd hate to see you weld the new arch in while the fender is slightly tweaked.
     
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  26. Exactly my intention, the fender won't be coming off until the job is done.
     
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  27. jimmy six
    Joined: Mar 21, 2006
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  28. I call dibs on the Packard. lol
     
  29. Time to fit this patch...take a deep breath!

    I thought I'd try the template first, just for fun. As it turns out in it's life of repairs the fender has taken on a shape of it's own in this location too! Mmm.
    fender template.JPG

    After some pondering and trial fitting I decided to cut a slit up through that old repair weld at the top where the shape starts to go off. My thought was to relieve some pressure and allow the shape to conform better. In the end the slit went twice the width of the patch, but seemed to help.

    Here is the patch in place.
    Fender lip patch in place.JPG

    Tacked.
    Lip patch tacked.JPG

    I went with Fitzee's 'cut and butt' method.
    The finished job turned out like this. I'm pretty happy/relieved at this stage. The large patch solved multiple issues in one go which was good. Feeling much better about this fender now.
    patch in.JPG
     
  30. The 39 guy
    Joined: Nov 5, 2010
    Posts: 3,639

    The 39 guy
    Member

    WOW! Brilliant!
     
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