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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by zimm, Dec 3, 2006.

  1. metalshapes
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    Which Escort?

    The Mk1 & Mk2 had the Kent, but were also sold with the Twincam and the BDA.
    Later Escorts had the CVH and Zetec ( = modern stuff that I'm not interested in...)
    I'm pretty sure the Sierra Cosworth is the YB Lee talked about earlyer.
    16V Twin Cam.
    Based on the SOHC 2000 Pinto block, normaly Turbocharged, but can be made to go really good unblown as well.
     
  2. Volvo544special65
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    I wonder which parts DOES and which parts DOES NOT interchange on a 2.0 and a 2.3? European 2.0 if there's any differences...
     
  3. Lee-mk2
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    from UK

    MK1 Escorts
    Norminaly had the Kent (x-flow) engine in 1.1, 1.3 & 1.6. They also did the RS2000 with the 2.0 pinto. There were also a few specials such as the Lotus Twin Cam and the RS1600 etc with the Cosworth BDA engine.

    MK2 Escorts
    Were a similar story with most having the kent engine, the RS2000 having the 2.0 pinto, the RS1800 the BDA etc. In the MK2 however the Mexico had a 1.6 Pinto.

    Cosworth were working on a replacement head for the pinto to give a 16V twin cam option (similar to the warrior head), this however with input from Ford turned into the YB an engine that was based on the 2.0 pinto block.

    With a little work the YB head can be made to work in N/A form which is something I had been considering. If however there was a head already available for the pinto block this may be an option I would be interested in.

    The Cosworth YB was put into the 3 Sierra cosworth and the Saphire as well as the last shape (mk6) escort.
     
  4. mtkawboy
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    Stay away from the 91/92 Ranger cams @ 254/254 lift. The 93 has 400/400 lift
     
  5. tjm73
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    What is the 2.3 firing order?

    EDIT: found it.... 1-3-4-2
     
  6. Yankeyspeed
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    Wow Thanks, That is some good information. I love this thread
     
  7. no55mad
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    Here's a 2.0 in a 30A. All hooked to the stock drive train with an A flywheel, starter etc. Runs great and almost sounds like an A with a stock muffler. At least it's all Ford.
     

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  8. FleaBiscuit
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    My "new" 2.0L Ford powered project...

    [​IMG]

    This is going to be turbocharged as well of course :cool:

    More build-pics can be seen here:

    http://www.panducky.com/Project-Murray_ep_72-1.html

    I put the project on hold a few months ago since i was moving into a new shop, but now that a few other big projects have been finished, its time to start working on her again :) I can't wait to get it rolling!
     
  9. FrankBoss
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    That looks like a Front wheel drive engine...what are you using for a Tranny?

    Frank
    www.PintoWorks.com
     
  10. metalshapes
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    The Kent, 2.0 Pinto, CVH, Zetec all use the same Bellhouse pattern, I believe.
    But there are differences in Flywheels.
     
  11. the shadow
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    here's a cool pony ram intake I'm selling, came off of a pinto engine, I bought it thinking it would fit a latemodel 2.3 but it didn't. ifinterested do a search under my name in the parts section.
    it needs a good home!:D
     

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  12. FrankBoss
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    I've seen a tone of those intakes...they are very cool, made by Edlebrock. They were only made for the early 70's 2.0L Pinto/Capri motor. The 2.3 Distibutor is in the way for one of those to work with a adapter plate.
    I have made a model for a simular intake for a 2.3L but I havent casted one yet.

    Frank
     
  13. Lee-mk2
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    Looks quite cool although I like the look anf performance of the twin 45 DCOE's!

    Are there many types of cam / rocker cover available for the 2.0 ford pinto in the USA?
     
  14. FleaBiscuit
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    I'm using a custom bellhousing made by www.quad4rods.com... it mates to a T5 transmission. :cool:
     
  15. You guy's have been pretty quiet.....no up dates or info?
     
  16. FrankBoss
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    that would be a cool idea to have a 2.3L get together...
    I've been making parts for these motors just as if it was a vintage motor.

    FrankBoss
     
  17. tjm73
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    Back in the late 80's early 90's Ford Racing sold a racing 2.3 engine block. It was like 15-20 lbs heavier than any OE block. It was a high nickel content and had extra material in the fire deck. Other wise it was identical to stock. ie...the bottom end was the saem as the factory. The fire deck had more material to combat the extreme pressures of the turbo setups and to stop them from deforming under that boost. I will haev to check my old Ford Motorsport catalog, but I think it said the bottom end was good to well over 8,000 rpm

    So if you want a kick ass 2.3 engine block, try to find one of those or just find any factory turbo engine as they are the #2 toughest 2.3 block.
     
  18. I was just browsing through some pics of the new ('05 and up) Duratec from Ford/Mazda and found a website with a bellhousing that mates to a "Type 9" 5 speed transmission.

    Any idea what the "Type 9" is out of and how good it is (it will be going into a lightweight T speedster)???

    It looks a good bit smaller that a T5, which would lend itself nicely to builds that are cramped around the pedal area. The body I'm planning for doesn't have alot of foot room, and I've got BIG DOGS (size 12's)!

    Here is a pic of the Type 9:
     

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  19. Steve Ray
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    Merkur/Sierra T9.
     
  20. Outlaw Bender
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    One of the coolest ever made is the Ford BDA engine.
    Aprox 250 HP@9500rpm without supercharging.
    Used in lightweight racing Ford escorts.
    Absolutely my favorite four banger engine.
    Here is a video that i have posted before. but it´s always worth watching again.
    And listen to that hi reving engine!!!!!!!!
    http://www.mat.fi/video_aford.htm
     
  21. tjm73
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    Follow up to my post #168....

    1993 Ford Racing Catalog. P.33

    "2.3L OHC HEAVY DUTY BLOCK - M-6010-B230

    Specially machined casting for larger displacement racing use, with the following features: 15.7mm added to deck height, 6.0mm added to deck thickness, 2.0-3.0mm added to bore wall thickness,main webs reinforced and cylinder bores are semifinished.

    MSRP $1038.95"
     
  22. tjm73
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    FYI... Ford imported the Merkur XR4Ti to the US and put turbo 2.3's with Type 9's in them. The cars once even slightly modified had a habit of grenading the transmissions. I'd look to the quad4rods setup first. At least then you can put a T5 (much more available in the US) which has proven to be plenty strong for most any 2.3 turbo. Hell there are 500 hp supercharged 5.0's running T5's still. And the aftermarket support is absolutely fantastic for them in North America. Type 9's don't have the same kind of support.
     
  23. tjm73

    Is there much of a size difference in the casing (T5 vs T9)? Again, I'm concerned with space around my big ol' feet...
     
  24. tjm73
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    I haven't seen a Type 9 in person, but from pics I don't that large of a difference in them. The T5 is a realitivly small box. But that's just an estimated, edjimucated guess. :)

    I'd estimate a T5 to be about 9" wide. But perhaps soemone on the board can measure one that is not in a car.
     
  25. I've gotta T5 I can measure for you- let me know. I've heard the same about T9's. I guess it'd hold up if you're not abusive to it.

    Thanks,
    Kurt
     
  26. Yankeyspeed
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    I just got a 5 speed trans from a Mustang. It was bolted to a 2.3, Are those just weaker T-5?
     
  27. Moloko
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    Here's the 2.3 sitting in my garage waiting on parts. The valve cover could be made to look fancy in a rod.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  28. Yankeyspeed
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    Wow, that looks pretty.
     
  29. ls7gto
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    that is the 2.3 hsc, which stood for high swirl combustion. they like to wear the thrust brg a bad and actualy wear the crank and cap out. not related to the ohv 2.3
     
  30. FrankBoss
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    the T 5 out of the mustang is a BW but the big difference other than the input shaft ..is the gear ratios ...and the Turbo mustangs and Turbo coups even Had world class Borg Warner T5's....The tranny behind the turbo 2.3L in the Merkur was a weak tranny.. basicly the Pinto transmission with a 5th gear.

    Best of Luck
    FrankBoss

    www.PintoWorks.com
     

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