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Projects 28/29 Model A pickup project

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by JB401, Aug 30, 2020.

  1. Travis latour
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  2. JB401
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    Thanks for all the feedback! I hope I enjoy the banger enough to keep it for a while. I try to keep the shop clean but it tends to fill up quick haha. I see some talent there with those drawings. Nice work

    Trying to keep some style over here! I'm leaning towards rotating them as well. I'll just have to mess around to see how much rotation I need to clear the rear spring/hanger area.
     
  3. JB401
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    That's awesome Travis! I appreciate you getting those photos. Plus that's the real deal right there, tried and true
     
  4. JB401
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    Still making headway on the pickup. I need to take some better photos of the progress but I got the frame and a bunch of chassis parts painted and ready to go. Decided to blow apart both spring packs and scallop/chamfer the ends. That process kept me standing at the grinder for a while! Ended up doing all of them but I’m sure I’ll pull a leaf or two from the pack. I think the time spent will pay off. Also picked up some random parts that may come in handy, some awesome reading material and an original Winfield head for the future. Couldn’t pass that one up. Almost ready to reassemble the chassis and get this thing back to a roller. I had to order a new kingpin set for my 42-48 spindles as the original ones had some decent wear but they should be in today. I’ll need to press in the new bushings, find a reamer to get the king pins fitting nicely and then it’s time to put everything back together. If anyone has any input on a good early ford reamer let me know. I love the older ones but haven’t come across a nice affordable one as of yet.

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  5. Those springs look good. I dig the head.
     
  6. ClarkH
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    Love what you're doing here. I'm starting an early A pickup project myself, and I like your thinking. Maybe because it's really similar to mine. :D

    That Winfield head was a score! It's yellow, so I'm assuming 6:1? The first digit in the serial number indicates compression. I have one on my speedster. Really woke the engine up. Be sure to lighten the flywheel.
     
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  7. JB401
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    Thanks Tman! The springs took some time but I am happy with how they turned out

    Thanks ClarkH. I am learning each step of the way that's for sure. I am super excited about the head as the originals hardly ever pop up and this one appears nice. I still need to do some research on the head but I do hope it proves to be 6:1. The yellow led me to believe that was the compression but its stamped 6 8 to 1 with a "dot" in between the 6 and 8. Quick searches showed they had 2 or three different heads with the yellow being the 6:1 but the number 8 in the mix is throwing me off. Any thoughts?
     
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  8. ClarkH
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    Hey @JB401 , I'm not an expert, but apparently your Winfield head is 6.8:1, which is something I didn't know existed until I did a Google search. Here's a Ford Barn thread: https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150869. Check out post #3 and see if that description matches what you have.
     
  9. JB401
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    You did better than I coming up with info. That sounds like it could be the same head. Mine has the same 6.8 to 1 markings and is cast iron. I will have to do some more digging as this info is interesting. Hoping this is a head I will be able to run in the future despite it not turning out to be the 6:1 I was hoping for. I will post a close up shot of the markings when I get a chance.
     
  10. ClarkH
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    Hey @JB401. Opinions vary on whether a stock banger is up to that much compression. Me, I'd run it. Too cool not to. Just don't stomp on it all the time. :D
     
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  11. I would run it
     
  12. JB401
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    It really is too cool! Glad I found it

    It will find it’s way on to the motor at some point for sure
     
  13. JB401
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    Here is the close up

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  15. JohnnyBlaze
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    Sweet Winfield head.
     
  16. Tim
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    Looks like good fun I’ll have to catch up on this thread!
     
  17. JB401
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    I knew I had come across a thread on Winfield speed equipment at one point. That's the one. I'm sure there's some knowledge kicking around in there. I will report back with my findings.

    Thanks Johnny!

    Thanks Tim, I am enjoying all of the small victories
     
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    Does anyone have any first hand experience with either the boling bros. or 2040 parts master cylinder/battery box? A little costly but they seem like they will make the hydraulic conversion that much easier/less time consuming. A-2001-4-ll.png
     
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  19. micshotrodgarage
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    Hello, I have a NEW top wood kit for a 28-29 pickup in the box if your still needing one.

    Mike
     
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    I will send you a DM Mike. Thanks
     
  21. JB401
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    I needed to take a break from the chassis today and work on something else. Sometimes I need to bounce around a little to keep the momentum going. My motor and trans has been sitting on a dolly since I pulled it after the test fire. I’ve wanted to get it on my engine stand for a while now so I can start to tear it down.

    I unbolted the trans and wasn’t overly impressed. I guess my hopes weren’t too high for a motor/trans that’s been sitting for who knows how long. It appears a critter had been living in the trans and left a mess behind. Pulled the pressure plate and flywheel and found some cracking in the flywheel and some worn teeth on the flywheel. I’m no expert but they don’t look great. Then I was able to get the motor bolted up to my stand and stripped a few more things off. I have the head bolts soaking in PB to hopefully make the head pull a tad easier. I plan to remove the head/pan and side cover to clean and inspect. I can see some debris that looks like nesting material where the water neck connects to the side of the motor. I will get some better pictures up tomorrow.

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  22. xlr8
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    Ring gear wear like that is actually pretty normal for a Model A engine that has some miles on it. They are fairly easy to replace.
     
  23. JB401
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    I am going to have to look into the replacement as I did not know that. I appreciate the input on the wear. Any thoughts on the visible cracking seen in the photos? Wondering if there is still life left there?
     
  24. Another banger build, I gotta subscribe!!
     
  25. Macs and others sell them. Even listed on Amazon[​IMG]
     
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  26. JB401
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    Thanks Retson, I'm giving it my best shot haha. Researching constantly and learning as I go.

    Bingo. Thanks Tman!
     
  27. xlr8
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    You just heat the gear as evenly as you can all the way around with a torch and drop it onto the cool flywheel. The trick is getting it against the step evenly before it cools down, lol.
     
  28. Dedsoto
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    Take your flywheel into your local machine shop for lightening and have them fit the ring gear while it's there.
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  29. JB401
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    Sounds easy on paper I suppose haha. Fairly straight forward if you don't burn your hands first

    Thanks Dedsoto, I have been reading up on lightened flywheels and was thinking it may be a good time to get this done with me having everything apart.
     
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  30. Might be cheaper to get the flywheel already done form someone who does them all the time. I don't know that area to tell you who does them. Ring gear is an easy thing to remove and replace. It doesn't need to be cherry red. I took mine off with a plumbers torch.
     

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