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Technical 283 induction setups- what works best

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Chris, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. Chris
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    Hey guys, I've been biting my tongue for a while on this because I know I am opening up a while can-o-worms on what everyone thinks is best.

    I am getting ready to build a mild 283 for my 46 Ford coupe. The car will retain the stock transmission and rear end, probably have a mild/semi aggressive cam, I have power pack heads...the engine is a 57 283 power pack. I want to build and engine like a guy would have in the late 50's/early 60's. I am not trying to squeeze as much power out of it as I can, but I do want a good running and performing engine.

    So, I have a beautiful Weiand 4 x 2 intake for it with 4 97's. I love the look of this intake, it's the whole reason I decided to stab a "brand X" engine in this car. I have read that they perform well...but in real world cases how great are they for "daily driver"? I want a pretty care free set up, am I looking for trouble with this intake? I want something "cooler" then just a 4bbl intake. I have thought about tri power or dual quads, but the 4x2 would by far be the coolest to me. I kind of have my heart set on running this, but have been second guessing myself lately. Without asking for drama or "stick any thing but a SBC in it", does anyone have any solid advice on the subject?


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  2. mad mikey
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    Should work very well, maybe slightly fussy for a daily.
     
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  3. Chris
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    These are the heads, someone can correct me if I'm wrong

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  4. Chris
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    Ok thanks, and no the cars not my daily driver, but I drive it a lot. I also know a lot on Stromberger carbs, and zero on 4bbl or rochesters which is also a bonus on running this set up
     
  5. mad mikey
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    Or one of these. I ran this set up on a SBC, and it was great. And care free. WIN_20160212_114649.JPG
     
  6. porkshop
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    Quality linkage, and get them synced and jetted correctly and you will be fine.....
     
  7. Chris
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    Great, thanks. I bought some Stromberg linkage extensions and planned on running straight linkage like this setup @titus did on a customers car. Very nicely made pieces


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  8. falcongeorge
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    I have no first hand experience with 3 bolts yet, but for my olds, I have a 2x4 and dual Wcfbs, a drag star and an edelbrock 4x2, 90% I will go with the 4x2 with 4 94's. You just can't beat the cool factor, and it should work pretty good. I have a hunch 3 rochesters would probably work the best, but it just doesn't look as cool somehow. I plan to run a progressive linkage with the two inner carbs as primaries. My cam is an isky E-3 clone, so about 230-235@030, maybe a little rowdier than yours, but not radical by any means.
     
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  9. More brand " X's " in these old Fords than Fords.
    That being said, the "wow" factor will be impressive.
    If it were mine, I would be looking under the hood, wanting to nail the pedal to the board ........
    But a stock tranny and a stock rear would be the weak link.
     
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  10. falcongeorge
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    Chris, one other thing I have heard, you probably heard the same thing, is you need some sort of bar to support the outer end of all four throttle shafts in the same plane, or you won't be able to sync the carbs consistently.
     
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  11. Chris
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    The two "floating" shafts have a support coming off the drivers side carb mounting stud (look close at picture). Is that what you mean? It holds the long shafts steady, and I will use 4 arms and a strait piece of shaft to connect all 4.
     
  12. falcongeorge
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    I think that might work.
     
  13. silent rick
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    I was looking at his photo. looks like he has an extension tied to the carb closest to it. I've talked about this with jeff(titus) on just how important it is to tie them all together. if anything, it would probably accelerate shaft bushing wear without some sort of support.
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  14. flynbrian48
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    Well, I don't what works best, but I've always liked the looks of dual quads, so this set up is going on the 283 for my '34 roadster. 550 E-carbs to replace the original 409 Chev matched carbs seen here, that paid for the manifold, and the one new carb I needed. :)
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  15. Mike VV
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    4 x 2...

    Won't be an asphalt ripper, but with the proper tuneup, should be a fine driver.
    Although the 97's "can" be finicky and take some fiddling every now and again. I ran a Man a Fre for years on the street. While I know that's a bit different, I've also tuned engines with (3) and (4) 97's on them. I built a setup much like what you have for a guy for a 348 in a 55 sedan. He wrote me, was very happy with the setup.

    Pay attention to the throttle synchronization, and the mixture screws.

    Mike
     
  16. studebaker46
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    I don't have any info for you as I have never ran a multi carb set up, but what I wanted to say was in all the years I have been on the forum I never thought I would see Chris use an overhead engine much less the dreaded SBC good luck with it I think with your experience and patience you will be fine Tom
     
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  17. Hdonlybob
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    As a 283 lover, I can't give you any advise on that set up, but if you are old school like I am, that is an absolute killer for appearance !
    Love it, and if you can tune it decent.. go for it man !!
    Cheers...
     
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  18. Chris
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    Haha I have 5 flathead cars and this car is so tired it needs a new engine regardless. I'd love to do a Cad or Olds, but money wise that won't happen. Plus this will be period correct for what I'm shooting for. I've always liked small block chevys but hate how overused they are. Oh well, if you can't beat em, join em
     
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  19. Chris, your going to be just fine. I've run many a multi carb motor on the street and even as my Daily work cars back in the 70's. You have a plentum type manifold so it don't know how many Carbs are on it, neither does your motor. The challenge is not to over or under Fuel the motor. That simply comes with correct Jets and power valve. The need of fuel comes from cam and heads as you know. I've learned progressive linckage is priceless along with learning how much you can lean on the Gas pedal. To much pedal from a standing start and your going to fall on your face more due to the total volume of Air introduced. 1-2-3 or 4 carbs is not going to dictate loss of fuel mileage unless your over jetted, then that's your fault not the manifold set up. I say Go for it. I sure would.
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  20. Duke
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    I have the same intake for my A. Mine has old linkage on it to run it progressive. I would think all 4 straight would be too much fuel for a 283. That is a nice thing about that manifold is that it was designed to run progressive (most are not).
     
  21. Moriarity
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    I run 4 97's with straight linkage on the Cad motor in my 40. Had to jet down from 45 to 41's. runs great idles at 500 rpm and is smooth as a gravy sandwich. Instant throttle response too. You will be fine. Mine is running the stock trans and rear with no problems so far[​IMG][​IMG]


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  22. jimmy six
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    Use a GM 327" 350hp hydraulic cam.(L79) You will love it and so will your 283. I'm a dual quad guy but 4-2's are just as nice.
     
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  23. Bursonaw
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    I have run a 283 with a ford box and Lincoln gears in my 41 Ford since 1969. It's has been a great driver with plenty of power. Originally I ran a Holley 650 with a 58 Corvette solid lifter cam until last year when I rebuilt the motor. Now I'm running a Howard's roller cam and a 6 pack with Rochester carbs and power pack heads. I can tell you that the Holley four barrel was a little peppier off the line, but there is no better feeling or sound like opening the outer carbs on the six pack with the progressive linkage. Which ever way you go I think you will have great running and looking machine. I personally choose the six pack for ease of tuning and economy running a progressive linkage, as long as you keep your foot out of it. Good luck.

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  24. tub1
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    with early ford drive line go easy on the take of young man . I'm a great lover of the original carb on the 283 from new a Rochester even have one on my flathead , 3 of them can only be 3 times as good
     
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  25. Chris
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    Ironically that's the cam I want to go with!
     
  26. Chris
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    Cars like yours is what I'm shooting for. Except I have a 46 (poor mans 40) and a Chev (poor mans cadillac). But style, period and appearance that 1957-1962 era is my goal. My cars black, full white interior getting finished soon with a chrome dash, steering column and garnish moldings. So a shinny V8 under the hood should suite it. It will never be a 40, but I'll still love it

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  27. Bursonaw
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    Sounds very close to the way I build my car when I started it back in 69. The one thing I added was a Columbia two speed axle. Gave me the pep around town with 4:11 gears and in overdrive 2:94's, I get close to 30 mpg on the highway if I keep my foot out of the gas. Your car looks great, something to be very proud of.


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  28. falcongeorge
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    Man, the interior in that car is nice. You got the upholstery out of another car, right? I love period small blocks, and around here at least, I see ten flatheads for every period sbc I see. Mostly you just see 350s with tripps and valve covers, seeing a period dressed 283 is a real rarity. That's why I was so determined to put together a 270hp clone. Your car is looking really good, I still gotta talk you into 15" wheels and short bar lancers though!:D
     
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  29. DDDenny
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    Chris, best hydraulic small block camshaft Chevrolet ever made.
    Have you priced the oem "151" cams lately on that famous auction site.
    You might look at the blueprint type cams that the aftermarket offers, half the price of the L79 cam.
     
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  30. DDDenny
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    You know George
    "You're going to be adjusting them all the time".
    And they are noisy, "you're gonna hate that tickety tickety all the time".
    Besides, your power brakes and power steering won't work with that cam, oh yea, and your vacuum won't advance either.
    I spose the next thing is you'll be putting Hemi joints on your suspension, damn things are noisy and you'll have to replace them all the time.
     
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