I have a 91 302 I'm putting in a 29 Ford coupe and the owner picked up a chrome pan he has to have on, It's a front sump pan (pro-form 66187) and was wondering what year and model pump pickup to use. 70 model car or truck do it? Thanks in advance.
If I remember correctly, I used the 1965 pan and pickup tube when I put an 89 5.0 engine in my friends 65 mustang. The engine that you have probably had a pan mounted dipstick, so you may need to change the timing cover to one with a hole for the dipstick tube, if the new pan doesn't have a dipstick tube. The later engine may not have a provision for a fuel pump either if it came from a fuel injected engine. I think that the late 80's early 90's mustangs had double hump pans with the pickup tube near the back.
Here is a problem a friend of mine had with a double sump pan. This engine was in a 56 Ford PU. Front dipstick. The guy was a near fanatic on checking oil. But, he ran the thing out of oil and hurt it. The dip stick always read that the pan was full (front sump)but the rear sump was near empty.
craftcustoms is spot on with the '65 oil pan and timing cover.Here's mine as an example,a 289 from a '65 Mustang,also fitted to a '29; In addition,you'll probably need the corresponding water pump.Not a bad thing as you can use the alluminium pump from the '65 with right hand inlet which allows you to use chevy pattern Walker radiator in your 'A' which are a bit cheaper than the Ford version and,I think easier to come by. Hope this helps, Mark
I have located a front cover or two. I bought one 302 just for the pulleys, it's from a boat, but the pan is wrong I was hoping for front sump to use the pickup. Another front cover I got from a buddie so I could use the manual pump. I'm probably just goin to go to Autozone and get a pickup for the oil pump there, so I was wondering what year would work. I looked up 70 302 for a pickup and 70 302 for a mustang and got 2 similar but different #'s. Not to mention $10 difference. car pickup is a melling 68-s and the pickup one was, melling 68-s2. I'm a born a bred Chevy guy and I'm still learnin about these Fords. Thanks for your help
I would go with the mustang setup. The SBF world pretty much revolves around the mustangs. Another thing, if the engine has a roller cam, be sure to use the right material cam gear if you use a conventional distributor.
Something I forgot to mention,the motor won't fit between the frame rails with the stock oil filter,too long at 5 inches.Use Motorcraft EFL 90 or equivalent as it's only 3 1/2 inches.Gives you enough room to fit/remove it in situ.
Do I need a bronze distributor one like I run on my BBC? Mark H, I do have the oil filter 90 to clear the rail. The engine is all degreased and ready to tear down to change the intake and timing cover and add the new chrome pan, then it's back in the ch***is for some wiring. Hopefully, run this baby by Thanksgiving.
For the roller cam engines, I run the steel gear. I get them from ford motorsport. It's been awhile since I bought one, I ***ume they still sell them. Bronze is supposed to work, but I haven't tried it. I did my first 5.0 conversion about 1993 and just freshened up the motor. With 120K + on the motor the distributor gear and cam still look fine.
With regard to the distributor drive gear,if you're running a conventional hydraulic cam,I'd stick with the stock part,the bronze gear would just wear quicker.If you're running a roller cam,I'll leave that for someone with greater knowledge than me to answer! Good luck with the build.
Actually the front sump pan duplicated by almost everyone for the SBF 289-302 is a copy of the 66-69 Mustang pan as is the chrome dipstick and tube you see almost everywhere in the chrome section of most auto parts stores.The Melling 68-S is the correct pickup for that pan and will work on your existing pump,if you are going to run a Carb motor you will want a early timing cover,Speedway has one for $70 that is good quality with the hole for a dipstick and manual fuel pump,warning! there are some cheaper import timing covers that show up on ebay as some guys found out, they have had holes off center and don't seal well.As long as we are on the subject if you use a Professional Products damper you can get it in a 50 oz balance,it has the early balancer length so you can use the 66-69(p*** side) short water pump,this damper has both 3 and 4 bolt drilling for pulleys the early style pulleys are EZ to find in chrome with multiple grooves available for accessories,not so with the later 70 and up unless you want to pony up $$$.Hang onto that double hump pan and pickup to put in the cl***ifieds guys doing a SBF swap into a 49-53 Ford P*** car use those for crossmember clearance.
I'm going to put the stock balancer on, but I have three bolt pulleys so I'm going to have to put in a couple holes, I have two front covers to use, one has provision for mechanical pump but no hole for the dipstick, the other is a marine front cover but it's cast iron and has the provision for the dipstick. I bought the marine engine just for the pulleys. The owner bought a chrome waterpump #51010 from jegs (he likes chrome). I told him to get standard rotation , so I ***ume that's what it is. I picked up one of those chrome dipsticks at Autozone while I was there ordering the oil pump pickup. I ***ume it's the one for the front cover mounted setup. I am am***ing a pile of 302 stuff in the corner over this deal. Hope to get it runnin by Thanksgiving.
I wound up using the aluminum front cover that wasn't drilled. The cast iron one from the boat engine wouldn't work because the dipstick hole was too large. So I wound up drilling a hole in the front cover where there was a boss, I'm ***uming this was there for this purpose. I drilled an 1/8 in pilot hole then drilled it to 3/8 and hand filed it from there. I took pictures if any body is interested. just let me know. I believe that's all for now. I am in the process of final cleaning of the engine externally then it gets a coat of paint. After that's done it will started getting chromed out and a nice little supercharger capped with a demon 750.
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