Is there a chance the shoes are so far from the drum that they are pushing out way to far to reach it? Therefore it may be an adjustment issue... In normal conditions there is very little space between the shoe face and the drum when all is operating as normal...I think...with my limited knowledge when the drum is on and pre adjusted before the auto adjust kicks in maybe it's giving the impression it's there but perhaps it's not...thats what I'm getting at... Stogy the fly on the wall eh...
Does the shoe retainer plate sit over the pilot and flat against the anchor pin when there are no springs installed? Is there a possibility that something is machined wrong. The plate should fit relatively snugly on the pilot and the springs should hold the plate in tight. The pilot may not be as deep as in the attached picture. I've put hundreds of brake assemblies together and I don't believe I have ever seen the retainer not sit flat when the springs were installed. For what it's worth Bendix specified that the primary (front shoe) spring be installed first.
It does have that pilot like the right there… I think these pictures are what you sent me Wayback when I was putting them together I just noticed that your brake shoes have the extra reinforcement that makes it sit flat and closer against that spring washer. Maybe I need the machine some kind of Spacer to go right there.
Oh, that makes sense now I have 46-48 spindles on there too! (Square) I just like them because they’re simple but I was hoping that the Lincoln ones would work out but at least I have back up
@33Doll Those shoes with the reinforcements are F-250. If you do add spacers, make them the same shape as the original shoe retainers other than a larger center hole. Still can't understand how the shoes could get so far out of place within the confined ID of the drum.
That’s what I say! My friend let me borrow a brake and drum gauge I can figure the sizes for sure at least What about a spacer behind the anchor pin to push it forward?
Here's an interesting read on those brakes. https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/lincoln-brakes-issues.1162436/
Good morning Rich! I was wondering if you could do me a big favor if you have time? Can you measure the dimensions of that weird washer behind the springs, because mine is still on the car, and I’m at work and I want to make two of those today. And also, can you measure the big part of the pin pass that step so I can know what size hole to make if you have time? Thanks, Rick.
You know… The more I think about it and look at the F 100 brake spacer that I put on the back…maybe it’s limiting the anchor pin adjustment? It looks like it is slightly narrower in the slot, and the OD is near the stamped area. The instructions say only use a spacer for the one and three-quarter brakes. but I think that just pushes the pin out a little where it goes through. Like maybe it stops on the threaded part to push it out? I don’t have one so I don’t know? well, that’s easy enough to just take off readjust the anchor pin. Maybe I screwed myself trying to think my method is better than theirs? I just didn’t like the idea of putting a lock-washer straight on the back of that plate, digging in.
Was that meant for the inside? I think yes but only on a certain shoe which isn't yours, correct.... You could use a washer instead of a lock washer behind the nut...turn it down and use some locktite... As you said...there's definitely some play in that hole...up and down not side to side...with the spacer inside there would be more play/adjustment or does that special washer align it inside...
https://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/threads/f1-brakes-self-adjusting-mechanism.950750/ This says you had it right...minus a lock washer...wait the slot looks vertical...does that matter?...maybe its not...it's kinda hard to tell...
Quoted below from the Thread Johnboy shared...is that anchor/pivot eccentric? Just another what if... "Your 'anchor' bolt is upside down. The anchor bolt is at the top and it is cam shaped, if you flip it over it'll raise the brakeshoe mounting up (right now it is down), the other visual clue is the pins from the master cylinder and going downhill, they'll be level when you flip the anchor over. When you take it back out look closely at it and you'll see what I mean."
@Stogy I added a couple pictures. The reinforcing washer with the square edged hole (??-2029) normally goes on the back side of the backing plate. While I can't speak for Boling Bros' anchor pin, the flat sides of original anchor pins extend thru the backing plate and engage with that washer.
Looking at the inside I can't see that washer going anywhere but outside either but is its orientation outside specific...it seems elongated or it just camera trickorey...
33, you're right with 2" brakes no spacer washer is nessesary and I note the squared part of the pin is not protruding out of the backing plate on yours hence they say that is not needed so you technically used it for a washer...and it may have affected adjustment? I also note when installing they say not to tighten when initially installed but don't explain why really...adjustment maybe then tighten?
these I am making new ones like you said yesterday, I wanted to know the dimensions, and the pin size to make the hole bigger like you said, because mine are still on the car and I’m at work. I have a drill press and stuff here so I was gonna make them. I kind a roughly, no image wise in my head, but if you could measure the actual spring retainer ? The F1 hundred washer, is something different. That could be causing problems
@RICH B thanks for the extra pics...that shows similarly to Boling's pics...square protruding thru backing plate...perhaps they must also have used the 1 3/4" shoes nessesitating the special washer you show too... 33's setup shows that square not protruding the backing plate...
Step 8 is where the tightening of the anchor pin nut is mentioned...among of other important details in adjustment... 33 again there's enough bolt on that pin to add a washer the same dia as the lock washer...but it seems there's definitely a reason and self alignment that must happen before that is tightened for good... Another question...how is the other side? No issues?
Is this Kind of what you had in mind? Behind the Retainer, between the shoes That and Maybe the the “facing”up spring first, might do it?
The other side is OK so I was going to try to swap the shoes from that side and see what happens. Was also going to try to swap drums first, but I’m pretty sure it’s the shoes.
Yeah I know I kind a remember. My F1 hundred and stuck through and that washer was on the back. I was just trying to use it as a flat washer since the boiling brothers one doesn’t go all the way through, I was just thinking that maybe it’s too big in diameter to allow the pin to go up far enough? I have some M 14 mm washers that should have a big enough hole in a small enough diameter to be able to allow the pin to still move.
Step 2 of Boling Bros directions makes absolutely no sense. Concerning the spring here are a couple pictures of the manual specifying which is first. May be something to it as they bolden and repeat it several times.
I would trust manual-over the boiling brothers guys ahyhow. That’s how I’m gonna do it next time primary is long shoe, right? come to think of it that’s why I put that space are there in the first place because those instructions are so stupid on step number 2! Those guys won’t answer me by the way!!!
Its a shame when a company makes a great product but won't update stuff that doesn't support proper function...this stuff is potentially life threatening really...it shouldn't be left to customers and their installers to figure it out...a change to instructions with an apology for inconvenience would go along way...but here we are...
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