339 C.i. Aluminum Flathead..ready To Go To G.n.r.s.

nothing like just the sound of the STARTER engaging not to mention the sound of one at full song, downshifting out of a corner with open pipes.


lucky for me my buddy lives right on the particular corner of which I speak

 

Dark, primitive, and violent meets light and sophisticated...
Aliens from the future offer Neanderthal man philosophy and science...and probably get eaten.
Everyone here is living in some different choice of era, and will likely choose flathead parts based on those ingrained preferences.
I think the big deal here is that this makes routine sale of flathead crate motors possible without all the supply and random trouble problems that cumulate after 60 or 70 years.

 

Also, the Ardun folks don't need the complexity and casting problems of a flathead block--someone is already making them a greatly simplified repro block with all the intake/exhaust/valve bits left out, making a very simple casting relative to this.

 

Grim,myself I kind of like the level playing field of the old iron lump myself. On the other hand Kirby has did a lots of improvements that take weeks of steady work to try to approach on a henry's lump.Don't know where I am on these issues,but sure it woun't involve Ohv converson kit.Most are just a toy of the rich.No need either,a good flatmotor will run just find.

 

I've kinda had a back seat view of this product as Shadow Rods is in the neighborhood. I'm NOT involved in any way except being a VERY interested bystander. What i see here is some of the same retoric that's been leveled at Brooville Roadster (or Crookville Roadster as some of you are fond of saying). Jon Hall has invested the equivalent of the lifetime income combined of several of you here to see his products come to fruition. That tells me that there is a combination of jealousy, ignorance, or stupidity in varying degrees expressed in some of thes posts. There is no one now or in the future planning to hold a gun to your head and make you buy anything he produces so it makes little sense for you to post negative talk unless your prepared to match or exceed his committment producing a competitive product.
If you don't like Mc Donalds, Burger King is just around the corner and Wendy's is down the road. Pick your poison and choke it down. I promise not to come on here and make a judgement about your choice.

Frank

 

That's my point exactly...

Although I would also say that, maybe the performance of the OHV kits is being limited by the block it's on... That would be a great excuse to design a new block...

Only a dedicated racer could justify that block...
But my guess is it'll require it's own class.
So what's the point?

Flatdog, you of all people are a testament to the fact the the performance of iron flatty's hasn't been fully explored. Building an aluminum block is unnecessary at best and gratuitous and wastefull at worse.

 

It the stock block dimensions..Old style front newer style rear,just bigger stroke, bore, updated valve train, cam..every thing..oiling system, heads are same ones kirby uses just different combustion chamber ...I give ya all the info that mark lets me but alot of it is promised to the magazines...He just told me to give the HamBers a peek....The water pumps are cast iron....any more questions just send me a message....I have a video I'm downloading from today so I post it as soon as it is done...

 

I know that it is all new. I get that SCTA probably won't let it run in the vintage motor classes. I fully understand that there is no way it could keep up with an average 302 crate motor.

I still think it EXTREMELY bitch'n.

 

You can talk for me anytime... You're much more eloquent...

 

Hey guys I just try to post This stuff for people who are interested in it...If ya don't like it ya don't have ta bash it....I just trying to be nice and keep something I love (the HamB) informed with some of the information that i have learned from a hobbie that I love....

 

Therein lies the problem. Mark needs to realize there 10 times more folks viewing a thread like this than EVER will read about it in a magazine! Many vendors are starting to get the drift, HAMB should come first, we will assimilate you

 

Its a bad ass looker for sure! Only thing I'd change would be the 4 barrel, and yeah I realize you get better effiecency out of it but it looks odd to me wearing a 4 barrel. Other than that I have no qualms and love it!

 

I'm not a flathead guy, however gooseta2 I can apperciate what you guy's are doing here. It's not for everyone, but it's pretty damn cool. I'm sure when they came out with the first all aluminum SBC it was welcomed with just as much fanfare by the diehard iron block types. It's a progression that alot of people want to see. It's called pushing the envelope, and I'm all for it! Now where's that vid...

 

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nice work. I would like to see more pics and video of it,

 

The demand for flatmotors is still there and may grow but the supply has been dwindling since Henry's customers and the French Army quit buying them. More is more better in my books regardless of where they come from of how they are made. They will have a feel, sound, and presence like the old ones.

Best of luck to Mark & John

 

Very cool I saw one at Chrisman's xmas party with Ardun Heads & SCoT blower, & 2 new 97's completely Mental !!!. we have an iron flathead with Ardun Heads on a roadster at the shop, nice piece of kit.
Good luck with the Lightweight Flatty !!!!
I'll look forward to seeing it at the GNRS .

 

I cant wait to hear it run .

 

makes you wonder, how many people who think a modern aluminum flathead is cool but a plastic bodied 32 is sacrilege?

Larry

 

What the point? Some people dream big.They are gunna pull it off.

 

Okay hotrodladycrusr, now that I feel like a REAL idiot...

Denise- thanks for the offer, video of the pulls would be awesome, and thanks for all the great posts- Im still drooling over your pics of the speedway museum!

 

The heads are butt ugly.

 

You think? I'm kinda digging them.... Anything new to the flathead world had some value in my opinion.

 

Your welcome sweetie, I'm glad your still viewing the photos. Makes the effort worthwhile when my pals enjoy what I do. Goosta2 and I have PM'd about me joining them at Roush so if it goes down I'll certainly post a thread on the HAMB.

 

There are some pics in one of Flatdog's old posts, I believe.
It's a fascinating project, with some changes in valve train that are interesting in themselves.
Huge displacement potential alone makes it non-comparable to original flatheads...
probably will generate market and parts old engines can use.
I think its reason is to make flatheads commercially viable...there's a lot of interest, but shaky availability of good blocks for any sort of commercial venture, and this thing will make flathead crate engines a reasonable, though pricey, proposition.
The whole idea of building old cars without using anything actually old is a big dividing line in the hobby, one of the defining differences between streetrodders/hotrodders... streetrodders want a fairly clear reference to the past, but strongly prefer that it be all new. In lots of ways, that's quicker and more practical than trying to recreate 1948, and often cheaper...

 

Henry Ford would wonder why anyone is doing this becasue there is better and more importently, cheaper, options.

However, aside from the price, I like it.

Why not do it in Iron? Too heavy?

 

I agree. I dig the effort that went into this project. I am on the fence about them myself. BUT, I will stay up to date with what is going on.