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Technical 35 axel swap on a Model a questions

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  1. Kickstarter
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    What are the pluses and minuses of swapping a 35 Ford axel under a Model a? Is it a straight forward swap or are there going to be problems? I'm putting a dropped axel under my 35 and was thinking about using the stock 35 axel in my 31 Model a.


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  2. chopndrop
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    Otherwise stock Model A? You will get a slight drop with the 35 axle. The bosses on the 35 are 2", Model A is 2-1/4", so you will need some spacers. The width between spring perch is slightly different, I want to say about 1/2", but it will fit. What is your goal?
     
  3. Mr48chev
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    According to this https://m.roadkillcustoms.com/early-ford-beam-axle-identification-and-dimensions/ There is 1/8 inch difference between the Model A and the 32/36 axles
    This site gives slightly different measurements http://www.hotrodreference.com/902/early-ford-solid-front-axle-dimensions/
    Then on Sid's site. you get slightly different yet. Looks like they all used different brand tape measures. https://www.droppedaxles.com/ford-dropped-axle
    Kind of like hand gernades and small bombs, in "that's close enough".
     
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  4. fiftyv8
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    I did this swap about 10 years ago and used the 35 brakes up front as well.
    It was not to difficult at all.
    I needed to make a pair of fish plates to support the mechanical brake actuators from out of the top of the king pin, since as the axle height/drop was greater the actuators needed to be supported a different level.
    Not difficult just tale it slow and easy.
    Sorry, no actual pic's to offer other than the finished product. OR Coupe 06.jpg
     
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  5. I think the Model A axle has a one piece driveshaft, that is it is one with the pinion gear so you would need to do something with that.
     
  6. walls
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    Depends on what your plan is.
    If you’re looking to lower the car 2-3” and keep the mechanical brakes, it’s worth it to me.
    Add a reverse eye spring w/2 leaves removed, 32 perches and a T spring in the back.
    You’re good to go.

    If you have hydraulic brakes, I’d probably do something else.

    I used a 35 axle last year on this phaeton and bought another for the coupe I’m building this winter.
    I think it gives an early 40s stance or close enough for not a lot of dollars. B81C4EB4-8771-41FC-9D46-B90977497302.jpeg
    I forgot, I also added 34 brakes to this one.
    The only thing I’m changing this time around is using 32 spindles instead of the stock model A.
    A little more room for bending the steering arm.
     
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  7. Tim
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    Wrong end ;)
     
  8. WOW how did I not see that! thanks
     
  9. Kickstarter
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    The goal is to lower the front a bit and get the larger brakes. I was going to swap the brakes anyway, so if I can get the front a little lower at the same time, might as well swap the axel.


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  10. flatford39
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    Why not use a Model A dropped axle and 35 backing plates and brakes.
     
  11. Kickstarter
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    One reason is I've got a 35 axel and brakes already. I'm not opposed to a dropped Axel, just trying to use what I have.


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  12. fiftyv8
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    Once any axle is dropped the mechanical brake actuator shafts will no longer bolt onto the top of the perch bolts unless they are come originally matched to the axle.
    I don't recall the details now it has been so many years but it was the only issue that needed my attention at the time.
    The only other thing I would have liked to have found but could not source was a brake actuator kit that was being made I believe in CA where it was some how connected to the Model A main brake rod in the center of the chassis which acted like a booster for mechanical brakes, I feel this would have been advantageous.
     
  13. My '29 with a stock '35 axle, see my build thread... 112.JPG
     
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  14. Kickstarter
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    Nice! And an Elco behind it!


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  15. fiftyv8
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    Nice work 1stGrumpy, we only differ in a few parts, I used the 35 brakes and kept the Model A perches and radius rods.
     
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