Boat anchor. Great engine for a school bus, a logging truck, or a wrecker. Probably not so good for a hot rod. Gobs of low end torque. Don't know of any speed or performance equipment for it.
Boat anchor. They are part of the 429/460 engine family, but there is enough different that it's an effort to do much with them, and they can't be bored to the 429/460 bore size. The 429 truck engine does have a forged crank (at least some of them do...not all) that can be used with some machining, but that's about it for the truck 385 Series engines.
what valve covers are on that motor. If they are finned and black, worth about $150.00 - $200 depending on condition. But definately a boat anchor.
...a friend has one, still in the bus...run's great, and I can get it for nothing, but I did hear they were kind of a slug...I'll have to check on the valve cover's, but I'm sure they're just stamped steel...
have one in my 85 f600. Heard everyone replaced it with the 429. I read from several sourcs that the 370 and 429 truck engines shared the same 3.8" piston but used different cranks. I also read from other sources that they shred the same crank but used different bore pistons. Never had mine apart to compare. I'd stick my 460 in if it needed an engine but the 370 in there has only 60k on it. I thought about putting the 370 in my 4x4 with an rv cam and putting the 460 in the f600 anyway. Only thing I'm worried about is the 370 is supposed to have hardened seats and sodium filled valves to handle the heat from extreme fuel consumption (4.5mpg) happening in the 22k pound gvw rig. If I were to put a car 460 in it will I burn the valves up?
Torchmann, The 370 has a 4.05 bore and 3.59 stroke. The 429 has a 4.360 bore and 3.59 stroke. The 460 has a 4.360 bore and 3.85 stroke. As you know, the 370/429 med. truck engines are considerably different from the 429/460 p***enger car/light truck engines. The front timing cover/front dress is completely different, and it's not a simple bolt-on (I'm ***uming you have a front-mounted compressor). In addition, the flywheel end of the crank probably is different. You also have different oil pans, pumps, and pickups. The 370 engines do have hardened seats. I don't recall for certain about the sodium-filled exhaust valves, but it's quite possible as FoMoCo frequently did this for HD engines; if nothing else they have oversize stems. Any 460 made after '71 has induction-hardened exhaust seats as well; when you look at the seat, it has a distinctly different color. It's part of the head and you won't see the parting line like you would if it was an insert. The exhaust valves are conventional. In answer to your direct question, "Will I burn the valves up?", there's not really a direct answer. I know of several medium trucks that have had 460s swapped in. The results have varied, but in each case it's hard to say what they started with. It also depends a great deal on how you drive and what you do with the truck. If it is always heavily loaded, or used on a lot of hills, or used under conditions where you are experiencing high EGTs, I would recommend at least using a very good stainless exhaust valve...at the minimum NK-842 alloy, and better yet something like Manley's XH-428 alloy. They aren't cheap at around $190/set for the 8 exhaust valves, but they are cheap insurance. The stock Ford 460 valves are two-piece and inclined to pop their heads off when you least need that problem. As long as you were replacing the valves, I personally would remove the Thermactor bosses in the exhaust ports and fill the Thermactor p***ages. So far as making the 460 work with what's in the truck in terms of the compressor, if any, and the transmission, you're on your own. You will have to get the correct pilot bearing. I believe the front cover from the 370 will interchange, as will the pan, pickup, and oil pump (which I would replace anyway). If you don't have a compressor, you might not need to swap covers...you'd know better than I. The balancer does not interchange, though...the 370 & 429 truck engines use a larger diameter crank snout to withstand the extra load of the air brake compressor. If the 460 balancer is smaller on its hub external diameter, you would have to machine a spacer ring to make it work with the 370 cover and seal. You will want to use a 460 flywheel. The 460 is internally balanced through '78 and externally balanced after that. The flywheels are different for each; the balancer is the same, but the early engines use a simple spacer behind the balancer while the post '78 engines use a "hatchet" spacer. I don't recall how the 370 is balanced. At least some of the 370 engines have weird flywheel flanges and I have no idea what you would need to do there. It's quite possible that the 460 flywheel will not have a hole pattern for your clutch/pressure plate, so it may need to be redrilled. In my opinion, for whatever that's worth, it's not worth the trouble and expense to swap them. If the truck doesn't have the compressor or anything else driven off the crank, it might not be too bad to swap in the 460, knowing that it might last forever, and might last a year (without any mods). I wouldn't swap the 370 into anything. Ever. The truck 429 isn't horribly bad as a low-rpm, high torque engine...and I suppose it might be interesting swapping one into a rock crawler, with the compressor all ready to use....though I could get better results with a lot less weight with something else...but the 370 is an underpowered, inefficient, gas-guzzling POS, with the disadvantages of the Super Duty engines it replaced (401/477/534), but none of their advantages. To me, its big advantage for you, right now, is that it's in there, and it's running.
370 isn't an FE. There was never any FE's produced outside of the Dearborn factory. The 370 is part of the 385 series,which includes the 370,429,460,and a 514 that was a crate motor available from SVO. The 370 was used in medium duty trucks only.
Thanks homespun. It would be dreamy to swap in a powerstoke engine or a ***mins but that would be expensive for as little as I use the thing. some advantages are it's an f600 with 22k gvw...under 26k so no cdl needed and it has hydraulic disk/drum brakes and an allison 4 speed auto. I had a 74 firebird loaded on deck with a 77 f250 supercab in tow on a dolley and it took 5 miles to get up to 65 at 3500 rpm on the govenor. I would reaaly like to swap in a 8.4 ***mins or a 3406 cat with an overdrive, there's a bus with 40k miles on it in Ky with a buy it now of 1900 and i'm broke for the moment I knew a guy stroked his 460 to a 540 and gets the same mileage in his f250 as the 460 did...7mpg. I don't need all that in my 77 f150. the 460 I built is fast enough and gets 7-8 mpg towing and 9-11 empty when it was a 3:73 geared fulltime. I'm rebuilding it as a 3:50 geared part-time. I guess I'll keep that 370 where it belongs for now, thanks mate
If the engine has hard seats and valves made to handle high heat conditions, I don't understand how swapping it to a lighter duty application is going to make it burn valves up?
He was asking if the 460, which was built for comparatively light p***enger car service, would have issues being used in the medium truck.
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