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Technical 3W/5W question

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  1. 1930artdeco
    Joined: Oct 25, 2011
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    from Lynden, Wa

    Just curious here, I know on Model A sedans the number of windows on the side is what you call the car. For example, if it has three windows it is a 3 window sedan. My question is how/why are 3/5 window coupe's called this when they don't 3/5 windows on the side? Do they count all side windows and the rear/front?

    Thanks,

    Mike
     
  2. DaveK87
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    If the coupe has only 2 side windows (door windows) it’s a 3-window and if it has the 2nd set behind the door window it’s a 5 window. All side windows included and rear
     
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  3. BLACKNRED
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    firstly, the windscreen is not counted as a window, it is the windscreen.
    secondly the rear window or backlight is counted as a window

    therefore with this logic
    it is the door gl*** x 2 plus the rear window = 3 windows
    it is the door gl*** x 2 plus the the 1/4 window x 2 plus the rear window = 5 windows
     
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  4. DDDenny
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    No model A 3w's were put in production.
     
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  5. alchemy
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    I’ve been in the old car world for a long time and never heard sedans called 3 windows or 5 windows.
     
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  6. twenty8
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    ^^^ This ^^^
     
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  7. Blue One
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    True sedans weren’t referred to by the number of windows.
    Model A coupes were also never referred to by the count of their windows.
     
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  8. skipstitch
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    Sedans are only Tudors or Fordors - yep, spelled wrong by Henry. Coupes - you never count the windshield. If we dive deeper down the rabbit hole, a cabriolet has a drop top with roll up side windows. A roadster has no side windows with a drop top.... and a phaeton is a roadster with too many doors... LOL
     
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  9. RodStRace
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    The cabrios have a fixed windshield frame, too. Roadsters and phaetons have a bolt-on frame and the cowl/dash top flows into the doors.
    As usual, the topic has plenty of coverage here.
    Example
    https://www.jalopyjournal.com/?p=22098
     
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  10. bowie
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    To go a step further, Sport coupes have a fabric top like a Cabriolet; but it does not fold down. A Victoria has shorter rear side windows than a Tudor and a bustle out back. Also a Model “A” Vicky can have roof fabric to it’s belt line or just painted steel.
     
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  11. 56don
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    I have heard the Chevy version of the Vicky sometimes referred to as a 5 p***enger coupe.
     
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  12. jimmy six
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    As opposed to what? As a sedan holds also 5 p***engers…

    We can modernize and go next to “bubble” top which was only one year only 1962….. prior to and after are “only” tops, as in only top available.
     
  13. dln1949
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    I love this site. Like taking my dog for a walk. Never know where it’ll end.
     
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  14. 49Olds
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    Why aren’t Model A Sport Coupes called 3w…?

    upload_2026-7-11_21-29-46.jpeg
     
  15. Clydesdale
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    They only made sport coupes in one flavour so no need for 3w or 5w. It’s just a sport coupe.
     
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  16. 56don
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    They were built like a Ford Vicky with a bustle on the back instead of a full back p***enger area. Google a pic of them, they look a lot like a Ford Victoria.
     
  17. Blue One
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    No they weren’t
     
  18. Lil 32
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    only one built by GMH Holden in the World "Moonlight Speedster"
    DSCN2217.JPG fullsizeoutput_1e8a.jpeg
     
  19. jimmy six
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    I understand what you say….its the words “5 p***enger coupe” for the Chevrolet that seems funny.
     
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  20. Lil 32
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    my '29 Chev was called "Six wheel equiped 4 door Sedan" with the rear quarters blanked out and a canvas covered solid roof
    in USA they made a Convertible Landau where the rear quarter folded down, only 300 built and maybe only 16 remain
    IMG_1539.JPG
     

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