Big Red, another interesting link for ya....http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford...3QQihZ006QQcategoryZ33627QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
You seem to have it wrong. The early chrysler hemi was mostly a result of WW2 engine research and had nothing to do with Duntov. neither Chrysler or Duntov ever said they came up with the design. The hemi design predates ARDUN heads to the 1903 Welch, built by Chelsea Mfg. Co., Chelsea, Michigan. It had a 20-hp, two-cylinder engine with overhead valves and hemispherical combustion chambers. The company moved to Pontiac, Michigan in 1904 and began producing larger cars with 36-hp four cylinder engines, still with overhead valves and hemi-heads. The 1906 engine had a 4.5" stroke and 5" bore with a single overhead camshaft and had one of the first water pumps driven by the fan belt. The 1906 model also had an adjustable steering column permitting the driver to move the steering wheel up or down the column as needed. In addition to the four cylinder engine, Welch also built a 75hp six-cylinder engine with overhead valves, hemi-heads and a single overhead camshaft. In 1909 the company was acquired by General Motors Company and set up a plant in Detroit to build the Welch-Detroit, with A.B.C. Hardy as General Manager. In 1911 the powers that be at G.M.ordered the machinery from the Welch plants in Pontiac and Detroit moved to the Rainier Motor Car Co. plant in Saginaw, Michigan. The Rainier Motor Car Co. was formed in 1905 and acquired by General Motors in 1909 or 1910. The Hemi head was used quite a bit in late teens and early 20's race cars. The first large scale production car was the mid 30's BMW 328 sports roadster with a 2.8L straight six hemi. So I guess you could say that GM had the first Hemi with the Welch.
some interesting reading for you: http://www.allford.net.au/Paul Munro's Cammer 427 in Unique Car Magazine.htm
Just found this thread and thought I would post some pics of the SOHC Falcon that is up here in BC Canada, I work with the guy that Built it and he hopes to one day get time to get it going again.
Cammers were tried in top fuel, and made lots of power, but all the extra time involved in between rounds R&R made the 392/426 Chryslers more "user friendly" for crews. The first successful DO hemi head was on the 1913 Pugeot factory race cars. It was the design harry Miller and Leo Gossen patterned the Miller, and later Offenhauser engines after. The Chevrolet Brothers were also inspired by the Pugeot when they did their DO Fronty heads.
I can't get the pics to load right by here's a link, you may have to do something to show the pictures. http://www.network54.com/Forum/7418...!++Time+for+the+T&D+rocker+longevity+test...
this is the first time I ever saw one on this magazine cover. Been in love ever since. I saw that fueler in person in Tulsa a couple of times, but they never got it to make a good p***. I didn't care it was still the coolest thing there.
Check out Latest HOT Rod Mag. You can buy everything for your own cammer now. Still a lot of bucks but very cool article.
Yep, totally different sound than a Hemi. There's one in a '57 Ford that shows up at the Moonshiner's Run in Dawsonville, Ga. It's the car you stand around and wait for him to leave. Totally awesome sound, something completely different than you've ever heard. It shakes the whole town square. Kevin Ooltewah Speed Shop
i there was a sale in illinois a couple years back i wanted to go to , the guy had been collecting fe parts for quite some time and had a cammer still in the crate and supposedly one mickey thompson had toyed with that had hardly any run time on it ! never ended up making it but i heard the crated one went for $40,000 and not sure on the experimental ! while at so cal speed shop in vegas a few years ago i was visiting with the owner and he had a little 28 roadster pickup on the floor he was putting together for himself , we went back into his office and i noticed a freshly pollished set of cammer covers by his desk , i asked about them and he said he came across one years ago and was having it ***embled to go in that roadster pickup !
My dad used to work for Ford Power Parts in Norwalk. My dad has, and always will be an FE guy. I used to work as a gopher at his car shows (met Jay Leno at one in his Cobra, because Ron supplied parts for his engine) and one time I got to go to the big Ford swap meet in Ohio and sell stuff. One of the main attractions was a twin turbo dry sump SOHC that had powered a drag boat. It was dyno proven at over 1100 h.p. on pump gas and it was beautiful. Some local Hooters girls posed with it on the stand and I used to have the picture, I'll have to see if I can find it. Made quite an impression on me (the engine not the girls).
I'll mention that we talked of him and his Cammers at our next Club meeting(Early Irons NW). He will be pleased to hear the compliments. He also has a Drop dead 61 Ford pick-up Lift body(flopper style) with a KILLER cammer. He is truly the SOHC master. Here's some neat stuff. Jim's always been my Hero. A Gentleman and Drag Racing Legend.
DAMN a SpeedBoat with two SOHC in it and he works at Boeing. Why was he selling it? To much like his work "Freaking thing wants to Fly"
I've seen a few of these over the years. There is one in a red Shelby Cobra in Winnipeg, Canada. The ground shakes when it drives by and the sidepipes blow the dust off the road almost 10 feet away. Anyone know how many of these beasts were made?
Speaking of Cammer powered fuel dragsters- does anybody remember Canadian Scot Wilson and his "Time Machine" dragster? I watched him run at St Thomas Ontario and the old Niagara Dragway in Niagara Falls N.Y. several times back around 1967-69. 40-odd years later I still remember the absolutely outragious sight and sound of that thing! Apparently the car still exists and has been restored, but to it's earlier pre-Cammer configuration when it ran a 392 Chrysler. mart ==========================================
---------------------------- My god!!!! That thing is awesome! What's he waiting for????? mart ===================================================
Last fueler I saw that actually ran the CAMMER was the Bach & Gould Team. They ran in Nostalgia Top Fuel a few years back with the SOHC, but, I never saw it make a decent p*** and the engine was always apart. Bummer, it sounded *****'n!
John Vermish has got one in a Galaxie (I believe) that's a street driven car. We see it occasionally here in michigan but he doesn't get it out much any more. I think he used it to tow his boat to California a few years ago. the car has tons of natural Patina and until you see it with the hood open you'd never guess it had a cammer. Frank
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