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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by sgtlethargic, Mar 19, 2010.

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  2. Looks like a column shift, truck three speed to me. But, yeah, hard to see in those pics. Not a four speed for sure.
     
  3. RAY With
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    looks like an old top loader from the pic and there bullet proof-
     
  4. Dutch54
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  5. FrozenMerc
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    Bellhousing bolt pattern says three speed. Only 2 levers, also indicates 3 speed. Better pics would help to narrow it down.
     
  6. Not enough shift arms for a 4 gear.
     
  7. T-Time
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    It looks to me like its got three levers! :confused: If so, its a 4-spd.

    Looks like it might be an "HEH-H"...super rare...big bucks! They generally sell for around $2000 in usable condition. The HEH-H is a one year only Ford toploader 4-speed. Used only in the mid-year and later 1964 406/427 Galaxie/Marauder/T-bolt (I know of a 390 car that has an HEH-H from the factory, though). First year of the toploader and the last year of the narrow pattern and short shaft. {And, I think that means that it will bolt right up to the late Flatheads and Y-blocks, using the bellhousing of the original Flathead or Y-block.}

    The HEH-H is a close ratio, narrow bolt pattern, 28-spline output shaft, 1/3/8" input shaft toploader.

    I can't make out all of the codes on the case, but the part I can make out is right for an HEH-H case. The bolt pattern is right for an HEH-H, too.

    Look for a tag riveted to the case. If the tag says "HEH-H" and you can get it for next to nothing...buy it immediately!

    If its not an HEH-H, then I think that you will find it to be one of these Ford toploader 4-spd trannies:

    HEH-A - 1964 Mustang 260 wide 25-spline
    HEH-B - 1964 Meteor, Fairlane 289-2V wide 28-spline
    HEH-C - 1964 Mustang 289 wide 25-spline
    HEH-D - 1964 Galaxie 390 close 28-spline
    HEH-E - 1964 Meteor, Fairlane, Sunbeam Tiger 289-4V close 25-1/2" trans 28-spline
    HEH-G - 1964 Mustang 260, 289 wide 25-spline

    Any of these are worth good money. I'm almost certain that all of these are one year only transmissions (with the narrow bolt pattern).

    By the way, I think that the difference between the HEH-H and the HEH-D is the size of the input shaft.
     
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  8. T-Time
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    Let us know what it turns out to be.
     
  9. T-Time
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    Great buy. Too bad it wasn't an HEH-H, but an HEH-C is still worth good money. Anybody correctly restoring a '64 1/2 Mustang 289 4-speed car needs one, and they are HARD to find. Of course, its a good******* for a small block Ford powered hot rod, too.
     
  10. T-Time
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    I don't know anything about the Ford 3-spds. Maybe someone else will chime in about it.
     
  11. HOT40ROD
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    Early small shaft toploader four speed. Will fit bell housing 1964 on back. 1965 they changed the bell housing bolt spacing to a wider pattern.

    There are some*****ter shield bells around for the small block ford that has both patterns. I happen to have one in my Model T

    That trans is kind of rear because most of the early pattern four speeds were T-10s.
     
  12. T-Time
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    The RAT-G (3.03 type) 3-spd. was used behind the 300 6 cyl. and the FE 360 2V in a 1968 F100 pickup truck with the 114” wheel base. Maybe in other applications, too, but that is the one that I found.

    Gear ratios: 1st 2.99, 2nd 1.75, 3rd 1.00, Reverse 3.17
     
  13. T-Time
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    Well, sort of. The three speed is officially [FoMoCo terminology] the "3.03 three speed" and the four speed is the "Ford design four speed". Both are of toploader design and can be called "a toploader", but usually when people say "toploader", they mean the four speed.

    Even more technically, both the 3-spd and the 4-spd are a "Tremec T-170" (today's bit of trivia.) But the term "Tremec" is not usually used to refer to the toploader three or four speed transmissions. When people talk about a Tremec, they are usually referring to a T-5 or T-56 transmission.
     
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  14. 36 ROKIT
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    The RAT 3 spd. is a h.d. version, every bit as beefy as the 4 spd. Most were found in pickups and Broncos. With good ratios, full synchros and compact size, they fit well in
    early chassis, at about 1/4 the cost of the 4 spd. As T-Time says, "great buy" (although
    the 3 spd appears to have a broken mounting bolt ear at the case. Still worth the price,
    just for the gears.)
     

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