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Hot Rods 57 FORD Build #2... Glutton for Punishment.

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by Jeff Norwell, Oct 20, 2021.

  1. Why can't that swaybar be mounted the same way as the factory unit?
     
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  2. 34fordjay
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    Jeff
    That's one super serious big boy sway bar. You are going to be happy with it. I'm
    happy to see that you already have it installed.
     
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  3. Jeff Norwell
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    Oh yes.I picked them up and will be used for my 410.
     
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  4. Ain't that the cats nuts? My brackets were painted black otherwise the same dealie. It made a dramatic change to mt '59's handling.
     
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  5. That was a simple solution, no brake by me so I'd be machining them out of bar stock hot-rolled steel, which I have a lot of. I have a CAD drawing of my version of Cal Trac bars. And a shopping list roughed out. I'm using a pair of eBay yellow traction bars right now. The OG Cal Tracs are an issue as you approach the front spring eye, little real estate there.
     
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  6. Jeff Norwell
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    So.. a boring post but all part of it. Keep pushing forward.
    .I really like that Ni-copp stuff.... All bent up and used all the OG Ford Brass block/fittings... throughly cleaned all and removed 65 years of junk.
    they were in good shape..... I seem to throw away nothing....
    Sorry, not a lot of visuals.. but.... ya know.
    All lines are in and secured from front to rear... Went kinda fast....


    Because I am running a Tilton release bearing....(I got it free, brand new) I have to run a separate master for the clutch. I went with Wilwood,(Part # 260-1304) the smallest master I could find with the longest Piston throw,..... It will mount neatly beside the Ford Brake Master and be tucked out of the way....Plan to run the same Ni-copp lines from it to the Tilton
    I know in the past,Many don't like an internal release bearing. but.. I have had them successful on 3 cars.. never an issue(as long as its set up properly)..... and..... it was Free.

    Speaking of Brake lines... I haven't yet run a line from the master to the whole system.... yet.... I need to get the Wilwood set up and the proper pedal ratio... with a Bump stop as well..... the main Brake line would just get in the way.....
    And.. still waiting on my starter .... maybe I will get lucky.

    Thanks guys.

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  7. I'm with you on nicop. I've used it on the last couple of builds. I have steel leftover. I don't think I will use it. :)
     
  8. My clutch master is probably the same. I made up an aluminum mounting bracket, too thin a section and has too much flex. A 1/4" steel plate was the answer.
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  9. Jeff Norwell
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    @bobss396 ..thinking the exact same thing.... Just might need a stiffening mid plate....
    great solution.
     
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  10. stubbsrodandcustom
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  11. That Ni-Copper is the greatest thing since sliced bread.:D
     
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  12. I use a doubler plate on all clutch installations. The original clutches had very little spring pressure on the pressure plate and didn't flex the firewall much. Coming forward to hydraulic masters or Ford pull cable types and the firewall is always flexing which will lead to fatigue cracking. It's easier to spread the force and not have to repair than be repairing a finished car on down the road. If you don't drive your car, it's not a problem. If you put 5000 miles per year on it, you might consider this. The wider the area you can spread the force out on, the happier you will be. I don't know if Mr. Norwell will drive this car a lot or not. It looks to me like he needs to hire me to drive some of the many hot rods he has. Specially those that need burnouts to be happy. :)
     
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  13. 57JoeFoMoPar
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    This isn't the sexy stuff but it's the important part that makes your car, you know... work. Nothing pisses me off more than stuff that is poorly engineered or just left non-functional because the builder didn't take the time to think through problems. Nice work here, loving the progress.
     
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  14. Jeff Norwell
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    Agreed,.....
    I have a few ideas on the firewall strength area for the clutch master....
    Got a parts car and an extra firewall to borrow from.... I would like to have any plate or stiffener inside the car... and possibly not on the outside in the engine bay.This may or may not be possible.Also have several other master/clutch/brake assemblies to carve up if needed,
    but it will be shored up considerably ....

    and yes.... I will be driving the crap out of both 57's when done.
     
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  15. ^^^
    Well, I'm back on the unemployment line again. I was looking forward to a job I could enjoy. LOL.
     
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  16. Most of you guys following this thread already know I don't think like normal people. That said, were it me doing a hyd clutch in my 57 the Master would not be in sight on the Firewall. Being it's so small and connects via a hose it would be under the Dash out of sight. I have this thing about stuff that just looks wrong being in plain sight. But I'm not doing this job so carry on.
     
  17. Another way that comes to mind is stock manual linkage modified to work the master mounted on the Frame rail and a short hose to the bearing. Anything to keep it out of sight.
     
  18. I'll go back under my Rock now.
     
  19. I still get a little flex in the firewall, but it is tolerable. You could try another piece from the inside to sandwich it up, however that area is a tad busy with the pedal bracket and all. I'll look to see if I have a copy of the CAD drawing in my shop.
     
  20. From the inside, even a sheet of 3/16" stainless would shore it up. I was thinking of 5/16" plate for the outside, but used what I had around. Now I think of it, the 5/16" wouldn't have helped, it has to be sandwiched. My 1st 2 tries were from 1/4" aluminum, not nearly strong enough.
     
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  21. Jeff Norwell
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    I agree with all that has been said..... The best solution would to have the master inside the car.. positioned in front of the clutch pedal.. out of sight and hid,.. but I have my doubts on space.
    gets pretty tight in that area as it stands now.
    Nothing is set in concrete as of yet... and as Joe stated @57JoeFoMoPar ... this is a very important part of this car.... it needs to work, and work well.

    I am open to all options....

    I look back at this build. and while extremely fun.. its just trying to get a dead car back on the road since 1971....It's not even a 10th exciting of what other builds are doing or have done.
    All I know know is I will have it done and follow through to a roadworthy completion.
    Just a scrappy car with a scrappy attitude.

    We push forward.
     
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  22. Fitnessguy
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    Hundred percent on the Nicopp. That's what I used on the coupe and will on the 56. I used stainless on my 68 Camaro and it was hell to work with. For my 56 I got a couple different clutch kits. One from Mcleod and one from Modern Driveline. I think the modern one if a nicer piece and uses a Wilwood master but once again the stiffening plate is a little thin like the kits you guys have shown. What is it with these cheap manufacturers. I'll make my own plate for sure.
     
  23. guthriesmith
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    Sounds perfect to me! :cool:
     
  24. I can also hack any portion out of my parts car and send it your way if needed. It’s now at the point of the firewall being the only useable pieces left…
     
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  25. I want to add my comment about the clutch master. To the best of my knowledge, none on the market have a steel sleeve in them now. I have plenty of exp. with these and the failure rate is kind of high. I would want mine to be accessable for easy replacement. I made sure the piston rod was in line as much as possible. Most clutch pedals have an arc in motion so centering the rod where it has the most pressure on the piston was my goal.
     
  26. RmK57
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  27. Really, really enjoy this thread and your build! And here I thought having not one but two Meteor glove box lids in my garage made me special, haha! \I noticed in the picture of your hoods you have a Meteor splash pan too, with the filler insert in the dip. A friend of mine restored a 57 Meteor awhile back and put a FORD pan on, and kept asking me what was wrong because something seemed like it was missing.... :D
     
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  28. Jeff Norwell
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    Really interesting and a happy ending on a 57 Meteor I got parts from.....
    A good local friend had a 57 Meteor he was using for parts and 7 other Ford guys delved into it.....
    I got a many good parts off this car.... a very good many.
    Some went to the States, some out west and some local. As hard as the owner tried.... no one wanted the trim.. so he kept it... along with the Ultra rare Niagara badging.
    So,.... he was about to send it to the scrap yard and met up with a local Stock car racer who saved it for the HOTROD Class in our local area..... saw it last summer giving hell on the track.
    Made me smile.... and yes.... it runs a Ford(I think).

    Anyhow.. the Meteor has been given another chance.

    BTW. I scooped an ultra rare Meteor custom horn ring and wheel.

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  29. for a canadian car that has almost no rust, what could have been wrong enough with it for it to be scrapped?
     
  30. Probably the simple fact it had to many doors.
     
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