I really love the new 572 chevy but some info is lingering in me head.... can you put a 3 deuce carb setup in this badboy? does anyone make fin styled valve covers for it? is there some way to adapt lake style headers with flange plate? basically.....is there a way to make the 572 look like a vintage styled 350 on steroids, and Chrystal meth? oh...and one last thing....is there a manual transmission that will take that kind of punishment? It may sound silly but im stuck on deciding wether to go with this or a supercharged flathead from H&H. I know it sounds silly, but The looks and tradition of one is clashing with my love of the loud and mind boggling power of the 572 on pump gas. love the sound and feel that a 572 makes but dont want that modern look, which is not my style.
Cal Custom finned valve covers - had 'em on a 454 with Hilborn injection in my '59 Elk. Tripower - factory 427-435 hp if you have the $$$, which, judging by the cost of a new 572 you might have.
yeah, but isnt the 572 like a completely new size block? or is it still a basic big block that falls into the bolt on categories that the 454 and the 502 have in common? thanks though...ill look into that
The 572 would turn heads and sound good. The blown flatty would turn more heads and sound Better. Way Better.
here's some finned valve covers on ebay..$150 http://cgi.ebay.ca/BIG-BLOCK-CHEVY-...7316356QQcmdZViewItem?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 you can find lake style headers here http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/7988,1200_BandB-Chevy-Lake-Style-Headers-Plain.html for a manual transmission, you can build up a muncie or if you want other options theres tremec http://www.ttcautomotive.com/English/products/tremec.asp or try richmond trans http://www.richmondgear.com/01transmissions.html as for the 3 carb setup it mostly likely won't be enough fuel for a 572. an average 454, 502 is using a 750 carb. i don't think you can get that much out of 3 97's or 3 94's (someone correct me if im wrong).
Do you already have the car? The 572 requires a completely different car structurally than the blown flatty. Something like a real 32 frame would have a permanent twist the third time you opened it up. So you're talking tube frame with cage. And real brakes, that thing will build speed so fast it mandates a bunch of upgrades. Onto other stuff, you'll never make the big block look like a small block. But you can make it a vintage big block. They didn't have 350s in the "traditional" era anyway, but you can make it look like a 396, which they did have, barely. Three carbs, if you can afford 572 crate buy in, probably not an issue. But they won't be strombergs, more like 500 holley 2bbs. You're deciding a lot more than just the engine right now. The way the question's worded makes me wonder if ya recognize the true meaning of the decision. good luck either way, hard to go wrong.
As mentioned the 572 would turn a '32 into a pretzel in a heartbeat. The 572 also goes for about $13K !!!. Go with an H&H flathead. I dig the one in Jimmy Shine's truck. Ed
well, I do understand the structural mods needed as for at least a 4 piston 13" rotor setup, and custom frame, im not sure the roll bar is nessaserry. im Just planning ahead of the game you know..... Ive been thinking about this build for the last 12 years and it looks like ill be starting it soon.......
hey thanks, but the tremec and richmond transmissions offered have a maximum of 600ft/lb. i belive the 572 is around 720ft/lb!!
you forgot to add....with mustang II, late model leather interior....digital gauges...cruise control....vintage air....22" wheels..... This is a traditional hot rod scene here. Go flatty, you'll get a lot more attention at the shows.
hell if you're going to run the 572, add a 871 blower on top. That'll really scare the crapout of your riders and probably you too. If you build the frame strong enough to hold the power, damn good rear end and maybe have someone build the trans to hold it, that'll be one hell of a ride. Build it how you want it. No matter which engine you choose I'm sure it will get noticed
Still not sure you understand what the 572 in a 32 ford will be, if you're considering the roll bar optional. Look at the cars that run 572s, they're for the most part not traditionally styled cars mechanically/structurally. Many of those changes were forced by the 572. At that power level structural integrity and control have much more meaning, because 2.5 seconds on the throttle and the car's into speed with deadly consequence. If it's a big tire car you need the cage for launch structure, if it's a small tire car you need the cage because WOT at highway speeds could easily loop the car and it's necessary safety. If you're building a street car with street tires, anything beyond a built 396 or 427 is pretty much just for show. You won't put the power down on the street in that weight of a car. I've streetraced doorslammers down in that weight range, and a big inch small block is enough to scare passengers and spank the majority of big block cars. good luck either way
Me thinks we have a dreamer here. How old are you? From your profile I'm getting a 20 something (generous here) with more dreams than money, experience, talent. Just from you inquiry your exposing yourself to a lot of doubt. The choice between a 572 and a flathead is almost laughable. Stick around, observe, and learn. Your choices wil surely narrow when you get a grasp of what's REAL. Frank
One other though, if you really want the thing to be turn key reliable, the blown flatty is not for you. That's an engine design pushed to the edge of it's performance envelope. Which is never a recipe for bulletproof reliability. The 572 also pushes the edge of the BBC design. Something like a 502 or 454 crate will do everything you want and then some, with enough margin for inherent reliability. Not mechanically traditional, but could be dressed as such. Know what I'm sayin?
Since we're in the big money bracket here how about a 392 Hemi with a 6-71 on it. Got the looks. Got the go. Easier to keep up than a blown flattie....And it's not a BBC.
Yep, I came to the exact same conclusion after reading further posts. Using the HAMB as a sounding board is not usually a good idea unless you have more of an idea of what you are talking about, and it seems most of your thoughts are from reading too many shiny magazines - Goodguys Gazette springs to mind (sorry Kirk! but that is what it sounds like). Magazines are not always gospel and often show how clueless they are about their subject matter. This seems to be an exercise in mental masturbation about how to gain attention. Wanting to build or have a car built around the 'look at me' factor is pure bullshit and is the root cause behind the bling bling/billet beater/fagbaggies/dubs/orange pearl with graphics crap infesting the car scene. It is sad to see so many cars being built for that reason - as a crutch for an oversized ego and low self worth. Also the flathead choice sounds like pandering to trad hot rodder Political Correctness. There is nothing wrong with flatheads, but there are insincere reasons for wanting one - because it's the 'in' or 'cool' thing for example. All in all you sound very 'peer acceptance' seeking to me.
LOL! I knew a guy in NE FLA with a 396 w/ a 2 x 4 tunnel ram on one...keep in mind this was just a 396. Good lawd what a beast. Swapping end was a piece of cake..keeping in straight was not.
love the sound and feel that a 572 makes but dont want that modern look, which is not my style.[/quote] So, I gather that you've come here for permission to go against your" style". Sorry, you'll have to make the gut wrenching decision on your own. Now if your asking about whether you should use Depends for a "leaking" problem I'm sure the vast resourses of the HAMB would be a lot more helpful. Frank
I used to own, and daily drive a 750+ ft/lb car. It was a Caddy that was bored and stroked to 550 cid stuffed into a '70 buick GS. Car had the mods nessecary to handle the power [just barely ] While it was an abslute hoot to drive, and was really fun to freak out all those 10 second street bikes! The bottom line is that there simply is not a street tire made, or a public road you can drive on that is capable of handling those power levels. Go with the SC flatty, or a LS-5/6 454. FWIW, after spending a couple years with big HP on the streets, I got burned out, and I'm now much more fascinated with high winding screaming small blocks. With that much power from a BB, your constantly "holding it back" to stay out of trouble. With a screaming SB, it's more like being able to "unleash" the power whenever you choose. Think of it like this... If your going to walk a dog, would you rather have a wild pit-bull that could turn around at any second and bite your nuts off? Or a well trained guard dog that you could command to kick someone elses ass? Believe me, 750 ft/lbs on the street is like a rabid pit-bull that would just love to turn on you and bite you in the nuts! YMMV
I have thought about that.....but I guess the 572 belongs on a car thats a little more heavy. so ill probably be going with the flatty. my father had a 32 ford with a flatty back in 1956 he loved that thing, but he also loved that new 572, and wanted me to put something like that in my rod. we never realy discussed a flathead due to it being far more inferior and that it was just for looks, but I belive flatheads have come along way and H&H is the place to go with all them articles. jimmy shine uses one and drives it real hard as far as Ive read and I am going to be beating the shit out of this thing. so if my dad where around today i think he would agree with the modernized flatty. thanks guys for all your help, and ill be posting pics as soon as all the red tape is cleared if you know what I mean. Im not rich and Im not made of money but dad always said: "if your gonna build something cheap and its not what you truly want, then your wasting your time, and money." its better to build something the way you want no matter how long it takes and forget about how much it costs, cause your building your dream, and next family heirloom. and lets face it building them is just as fun so take your time, mesure twice & cut once for every thing that goes into that rod. and by the way, i never asked what engine I should use, it was a simple question tha involved whether or not are there certain parts made for the 572 so dont be jumpin' to no conclusions about my seriousness on the matter. this is after all a hotrodding forum last I checked, not a place to be judged by your actions..., so if your not wearing a skirt dont be a bunch of wining little bitches! thanks guys youve been a great help.
OK earlier the kid gloves were on, but if that's how it's gonna be quite frankly Fuck You Dumbass. You want to dress your BBC to look like an old school 350, which wasn't even a fucking displacement back then, go right ahead. Only a retard would ask about dressing a BB to look like a SB. (no offense to the actual mentally handicapped, this dude joined your ranks voluntarily). At some point in the car hobby, usually around day 3 you figure out that dressup is just tins and covers and it's mostly interchangeable by engine family with enough spacers and adapters So go ahead and blow the family jewels on that full drag flathead and run the shit out of it "like Jimmy Shine". Why you drug his name in to justify your dumbass is beyond me, but whatever. Anyway, when it spits the crank or breaks the block cause you're running what woulda been (in the day) a professional race motor on the street, enjoy watching the family jewels run down the gutter. If you don't want advice on one engine versus the other why are you here pondering about both? Are you just a drama queen who's bragging about being able to afford expensive automotive jewelry? Cause that's how it comes off, like you're a total douchebag. Are you a total douchebag? I'm voting yes. So if ya don't like it too bad, now it's my turn to tune out the whiny bitching. On day 6 of being a car guy you'll learn people get pissy when you ask for advice then act like a know it all bastard. Good luck feeling your way thru the project with your wallet. Hope it turns out trendy!
nah... i hope it goes a lil while under Ryans radar... been a while since i seen a good shit storm i didnt start myself
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