Technical 59a in a 32 which pumps

This is*****tered throughout the posts but have yet to find a definitive answer. Which water pumps, pulleys to use on the front of a 59a block in a 32 without hacking the firewall. I also want to use original V8 mounts.

 

You want 78 prefix pumps or repros thereof, 1937-48 Ford passenger. The only other reasonable choice is the
truck type using 2belts to drive pumps, generator, etc. but there is absolutely no reason to do so.
If Ford installed a replacement 59 in a '32, they would have used these with the '32 mounts and left the 59 mount legs hanging in air. You can do this or saw them off...the '32 mounts would use the '32-6 biscuits. There may be slight interference between pump castings (they vary a bit) and edges oh '32 mount forgings...in the oldays, mounts would have been ground, nowadays with crazy '32 part values pump edge would be ground.
Mount legs will need slight notching to clear belt to latr pumps.
Normal Hotrod procedure was with H-A-28 mounts with '37-48 biscuits, using the wider stance '48 mounts and losing the '32 V8 legs.
Either setup can be used to get correct mounting height.

 

Pulleys...for a '32 style setup on 59 use a single sheave pulley at bottom...this can also be a double sheave '42-8 or fan type '39-41 with front sheave/plate cut away, leaving only the inner part. Up top, use a fan type pulley (ring and 4 bolt holes on front) that will fit on whatever generator you have. There are a number of pulleys in different styles and diameters and different generator fronts. Mix and match.
Also I'm pretty sure the whole 59 package will fit up there in the length once used by the B and by the long fan and fat distributor on a '32 V8...one row of belt driving pumps and gen, one row driving a fan that sits lower than '32. I've always looked at the first way.

 

There you go. What would we do without Bruce ?

 

Can you still get 59A style pumps with bearings instead of the bushings?

When I built mine I couldn't so I cut and welded the bypass on a set of 8ba pumps. Drip feed of oil to the water pump seems pretty stupid.

 

Thanks Bruce for once again sharing your vast knowledge.

 

There are two or 3 modern aftermarket '37-48 pumps...Drakes, Speedway, maybe Mac's? Also Skip, pump rebuilder, I think converts to bearings and more modern impellers. I have no experience with any of these.
Also, the original heavy truck pumps I mentioned are entirely different from passenger internally and they have bearings. You do have the extra sheave, but the sheave closest to block is in the same place as every other '32-48 single belt.
Late pumps can be adapted fairly easily, but all versions move pulleys out, and some passenger ones actually have the two pumps at different lengths driven by separate belts! Rat's nest! For a simple and compact engine front with one belt or two, stay early.

 

I picked up a gen strap and fan mount that also came with a pair of 8RT pumps.
Besides the difference in spacing of the pulley to the face of the block, are they useable?
Are the pulleys a different diameter ?

 

With those, everything moves forward. You need late crank pulley to match, also need spacer/seal surface on pulleys made after 1950, and you need to block the upper hole on late pump to use on '48 and back block. I'd call these a waste of space...sell'em to someone using the loadamatic setup transplanted into an early Ford.

 

Thats what I thought and thanks for confirming Bruce.

 

The hotrod Ford aesthetic is, in my opinion, damaged by 8BA type parts visible...
If you look at olde magazines, even well into the '60's when 8BA stuff was 10 feet deep in the junkyard and early Fords were starting to be scarce, nearly all rods and 99.9% of racing flatheads were 59's or 99's...as with other rodding icons, whe wronfg stuff just looks wrong.

 

Not having cores, which of the aftermarket pumps, probably all off shore, are the better ones to spend my hard earned $$$`s on?

 

I'd dig up some cores on Fordbarn classifieds and send off to Skip...I tend to be suspicious of repro parts unless a number of people have put some miles on them. Used '37-48 pumps are worth nearly nothing...

 

Found a pair local that I am going to swap for the 8RT`s and then off to Skips as you suggested Bruce.

 

He has a very good reputation online.
And remember...your 59 is the same length block as a '32, pulleys (the inboard ones) at the same latitude, and can be built to fit everything up front same as a Model 18. Only real dimensional difference is that the crank is about 1" longer than '32-38, and so projects that much in the center of pulley...'39 pulley of course has snout to match.