Look like when GM and Ford were experimenting with water base paint. Where your paint and primer compatible?
Two guesses...1. No mechanical adhesion ( lack of sanding ) 2. No chemical adhesion ( incompatible products )
My guess is a sealer was sprayed and they missed the recoat window on the sealer and then didn't scuff it before applying paint.
Knavez of Kustomz. Damm that's a nice car. Far too nice for a major re-do. I realize you will and such.
How long will it take them to fix it? If they are willing to ship the car, repaint the car and ship it back without taking a year to do it, the owner would be a fool not to. They are supposed to do nice work over there, not sure what happened with this one though.
Nice car what a shame to see that on such a nice car.. I used to paint a lot with Emron paint. You have to use their primer and then their paint.I painted 1 car with a different primer then painted it with Emron.After about 2 months the paint started peel off like crazy. I had to strip the fellows car and reshoot it with the Emron primer and then their paint.That one came back and bit me in the butt. Lesson learned the hard way. DONT TAKE SHORT CUTS!!! Bruce.
Abomb and 31 Vicky are correct. The guys that did it should fix it. I will say that sometimes s**t happens! The guys they got the paint will tell them exactly what happened. I have had the paint company at my place more than once. They usually tell you what you did wrong. (it is usually your fault) If it is the products fault they will give you more product, they never pay the labor. You lose either way.
It seems there was a little drama involved with this car that I remember reading on facebook. Four years, car is beautiful but it would be hard for me to wait four years & then have the paint all flake off
I think the only safe way out is to strip it down and start over. Who knows what they used and what caused the problem.
With that problem it has to be taken all the way down to the metal and brought back up. At least 200 hours worth of work!!
If you sand catalyzed primer and dont paint over it within a day or two it recures and then the topcoat has nothing to adhere to. Or i have also seen this when someone uses the wrong temp reducer. Fast reducer on a hot day dries way to fast to adhere or dig in.
Boeing Aircraft paints are like that. The top coat reacts with the primer and if you miss the top coat window, the primer needs to be freshened up.
Send me a pm and I can go through steps to see actually where the paint failure is. I completely agree with 62hotcat and bobss396. You sand primer to create a mechanical bond, but as primers sit over 24 hours, the film gets tougher and basically you lose the mechanical adhesion. Especially with base clear, because you can make primers react with topcoats that have hardeners to help with adhesion. If you could scrape a fresh piece off, I can look at it under the microscope and see if there's any contamination on the bottom side. But my money is on the recoat window of the primer/sealer. Check the bottom side of the hood or trunk, because more than likely, that didn't get the same attention. Do you have a mil gauge to tell me the mils of each panel?
as a custom painter there's nothing i can add that has-not already been said.. that said--- sure you can let them try again, but THINK ABOUT THAT... if a shop is that bad *day one*... i for one would NOT let them PATCH IT up. they would have to start ALL over just like day one in my book. it WILL Never be correct, it will be no more than a patch job... live with it get a 90% refund on your money... i have NEVER yes never produced a job like that ...and i ain't even famous... i have fixed cars (patched em) up for some of the guys that thought i WAS (er wanted to) charge to much.... the easy ones i even did them for FREE just to stop the crying. LIVE -n- LEARN....
I personally wouldn't not return the car to the original painter for repair unless he was sure that it was not technician failure. I would expect them to make it right. This is no direct reflection on the original painter so don't take it that way, I would say the same if I had painted it. I am not sure what went wrong with that car but if it were mine I would want to strip it completely and start over. Does that make me a dumb ass, no doubt but I would not want to worry abut it when it was done and that is the only way I would have piece of mind in it.
There are several more reasons to let the shop make it right, than to have someone else repaint it. First would be to let them (the shop and/or the paint manufacturer) save face and continue with a decent reputation. Second would be for them to discover what actually went bad, and why. You don't want this to happen to another unsuspecting client, do you? Third would be cost (obviously). Fourth reason would be the whole personal responsibility issue, and doing what's right,
If it was a recoat window issue on the final coat before paint, Why oh why would it need to go back to bare metal?
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