A moral delima, 32 three window and it's original frame

Offer to buy the body from him, so he won't have to worry about the frame anymore.

 

TOO BAD!!! KEEP IT!

 

"As far as I see it, the number on that original frame is **** to you roadstar because the other guy owns the body and the VIN number that that is on your frame just by holding that piece of paper in his name."....But if he hasn't actually registerd that ***le with the state, and you apply for a ***le and show the man in the blue suit a Ford ch***is with that serial stamped on it by Ford to validate your application, his piece of paper is...a piece of paper. Any thing he tries will bring up you, with the actual car, real sn, actual valid ***le, and fully provable possession of the ch***is. He will have a body and naught else, because the state is unlikely to give him that paper back! You OWN what is legally and verifiably the actual car. If you don't move on the ***le, YOU will be blocked at the DMV because he has fraudulently ***led the car with your # illegally stamped on a fake frame, Then the state will, with much trouble for you, probably validate your legitimate claim, HE will fall into deep doo-doo for stamping his POS fake frame, both of you will get to spend way too much quality time with lawyers and the DMV, etc-etc-etc.
YOU have the actual car. Move before the trouble falls on you. The body does not bear an SN, and he has only the un***led beginnings of a kit car, ***embled/reconstructed car, or whatever. Move now, or YOU will be the one who has the endless entertainment of ***ling a pile of parts or forcing an attack on the other guy's highly dubious paperwork. ***le goes with the chunk of car that is serialed, period.

 

I'd swap him even-stevens for the new frame he had made. Just think, he will be one more guy who wants switch over from the street rod camp.

 

just to add a little twist.all 32 3w`s had an extra serial plate rivited to the stock body crossmember under the seat.does anyone know if it had reference to the frame # or did Murray
simply add their production #?if the murray plate that is attached to the body has reference to his ***le than,his ***le is proably good(then again maybe he didn`t get a ***le with the car)maybe
the gooch or somebody with a 3w could check this out.(that plate is missing on mine but the 4 holes are there. chris

 

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Maybe he has no intention of using it under his 3W.
Maybe somebody heard what you payed, and said " I would have payed 4times that amount."
So maybe he is just trying to get it back so he can sell it for more...

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No, defanatly not the case. I talked to the owner of the shop where the car is being done. He and I are good friends and he was very surprized ot hear I was the one that had the original frame.

The car was started at another local rod shop and that is where he was originally persuaded to swap out the frame for a new repro with the modern bells and whistles.

But it appears that the guy now realizes that he made a big mistake and to add insult to injury the new frame leaves alittle to be desired. It would p*** all day long for a gl*** body build, but The car in question will be done up to very high standards. The shop doing the car has had winners and Pebble Beach. They are also known for some of he best coach building in the country.

I'm going to look at the ch***is he has and talk to the car owner and see if iwe might be to my advantage to work something out.

Once I found out who was doing the car I'm actually more interested in helping him out. He has been very good to me in the past and is someone I have the utmost respect for.

Like I told the shop owner. We may be able to work something out for the guy, but it's gonna cost him

 

Sell it to ME. I promise that you get a profit. Give him my #, and I can just say 'NO'. You're off the hook ! People are en***led to change their minds; I wonder what made him change his. Change of heart, or is he just changing with trends. Would this car have been a billet smoothy 10 years ago ? If you know this, that may help you make a decision. Just tell him you'll think about it for now.

 

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Well, I would tell him your side of the story about collecting all the parts for that special roadster project and see what he's thinking. He just might offer you more then you think, it's gonna cost you nothing to hear him out.. If you don't like his answer just say "no thanks".. I would give him the chance to Step-up, because I'm sure he did when he bought the 3w... This way both parties could walk away happy with no hard feelings..

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A few years back, Tom Monaghan (Dominos Pizza) wanted a Bugatti Royale.....bid one to I think..6.5 million and missed it....bought it a year later for 7.2 million....OOPS!!!.... .

So Rudy...it's only money...HIS!!!...and his mistake.

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Make an "OBSCENE"amount of $$$$ money $$$ on the deal because his car isn't worth **** without THAT Ch***is...!!!

Then go and build a ch***is or find another deal...!!!

Jeeze..., just this past month there has been several barns full of deuces...!!!

Ch***is are more plentiful than you'd think..., But to find the right body...(?)

Get a Great price because this guy has the money to make mistakes and he can afford to put the right ch***is with the body...!!!

JUST DON"T BACK DOWN if he flinches...!

 

"had an extra serial plate rivited to the stock body crossmember"...That was only a sequential # for that style body at its builder, not a Ford #, not recorded anywhere, and not related to the SN--just 3W coupe body 3,472 in the run. No value in registration unless you meet a really helpful and really dim DMV clerk.

 

thanks bruce for that info.Is there a book or publication that gives more in depth info. on the deuce? chris

 

I know I'm a late response,but my two cents,Same type of thing happened to me,only on a lesser scale,Last summer I bought a few things from a guy I 've dealt with fro three or four years,lots of stuff,So i buy a package deal,including a 64 409 car motor,at first the motor was 1500 by itself,well after I spent a few grand the motor comes in at 1,000,still a killer deal.then he wasnts it back,because another customer is building a 64 impala and will give him about 2500 for it,So I still want it,but knowing I got a good deal on it,and still want to deal with this guy on other stuff,plus I believe in Karma,and I kinda like ol Jim,I will deal it back to him.I know he'll treat me right and get at least 2,000 worth of cars,or parts from him,and hes making another guy happy.Besides,Ive had it this long and not done anything with it yet,but intended on putting it in my 62 belair.I know it will come around.Just hope you can get fair replacement value,Maybe get that original flatty and trans off him since he's prolly gonna put a crate in it and something else,and swap those for some goods?...

 

Bruce L is the man

 

If the guy si haveing a shop build for him he probably has some cash to play with.
Suggest that he buy some aftermarket rails. When he gets paint on it and its all together no one will know the difference, and you'll still have your project.
Unless the guy is a buddy why should it matter if you sell it back to him? You didn't buy it with that understanding did you?
I'd sure hate to think that everything that I bought to build a ride owuld come with some moral attachment to sell it back if the seller changes his mind. What if you already had the body on it and you were driveing it or teying to liscence it, would you still have some moral obligation to pull your ride apart so someone else could have a nice ride and you stay on shanks mares?
Just my .02

 

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Maybe he has no intention of using it under his 3W.
Maybe somebody heard what you payed, and said " I would have payed 4times that amount."
So maybe he is just trying to get it back so he can sell it for more...

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No, defanatly not the case.



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OK...
I only mentioned it because I had that happen once.
I gave up some really cool parts, because it was supposed to benifit a project I cared about.
But it didn't...

 

Rudy,when you told me about gettin it all I could say was "you ****!.....
Now I read this and all I can think is "it ****s to be YOU!"

I feel your pain. Trade for the new frame and do one of those "things" you were talkin about

mid-tenn mike

 

Sell it back to him for what it's worth, with a first right of refusal buy back option to you. If he changes his mind on it again, you get first dibs on it.

-Jeff

 

I didn't read all the replies so this may have been covered, but maybe they realized they sold it too cheap and are trying to get you to nice guy, do the right thing, sell it back for the same price and then resell it for market value. NEVER UNDERESTIMATE ANYBODY, especially a bandwagoner gold-chainer.

 

Karma is one thing, but losing out on a genuine barn find deuce frame is another. Especially because some dummy screwed up and ripped a 3W apart before he came to his senses.

Everyone else has said it, so I'll ring in too - get the ch***is you want, or keep the one you got. I see this as an excellent opportunity to get your car on the fast track to completion. You're not taking advantage of him - you're making both parties happy. If he really wants it back, he'll be happy that you were even willing to make a deal in the first place. I think everyone involved understands that mating the frame back with the body is a desirable, and costly, enterprise.

Just make sure that whatever you get in return offsets the sting of giving up a genuine, unmolested, once-in-a-lifetime-deal of a '32 frame.

 

The way I see this is the past owner wants his parts back to stay with the car. If it were me I would offer a straight trade for equal or better quaility parts. No money changes hands and you can go on with your plan and he with his.
If the past owner truly wants his stuff back for his car he will find and buy the parts to make the trade. You shouldn't have to do anything. If you trade you are the good guy trying to help.

If you do get another 32 frame frame insist on a receipt with the vin number on it. Here in michigan we can get YOM ***les (year of manufacture) from the DMV for $15 plus sales tax. Steve