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Projects A/V8 speedster ‘Sat Nite Spcl’

Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Oldtmtech, Jul 28, 2022.

  1. NoSurf
    Joined: Jul 26, 2002
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    A Cut Above
     
  2. cederholm
    Joined: May 6, 2006
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    What an awesome build!
     
  3. It’s a rainy Sunday morning in Virginia this morning so time for some updates
    Got the mounts welded in on the run in stand IMG_3880.jpeg IMG_3881.jpeg IMG_3885.jpeg Fuel pump bushing installed and reamed IMG_3984.jpeg holes drilled for lifter adjustment IMG_3985.jpeg previously before I knew better I had removed the’cam bearings’
    This is a’34 it just has removable cast iron bearings front and rear with the block as the center bearing
    Got the front and rear reinstalled with out damaging them IMG_3981.jpeg IMG_3983.jpeg installed the pan rail freeze plugs and then epoxy over them IMG_4090.jpeg IMG_4092.jpeg IMG_4095.jpeg machined angled back cuts on the valves
    Turned down the stops for the valve guides then did a swirl polish IMG_4122.jpeg IMG_4123.jpeg
     
  4. Finished the porting on the block IMG_4084.jpeg IMG_4087.jpeg needed to open up the exhaust manifolds to match the block so I used a trick my father used by having one hole saw inside of another to open up a hole IMG_4074.jpeg IMG_4075.jpeg IMG_4077.jpeg IMG_4078.jpeg IMG_4079.jpeg the manifolds were so warped they had gaskets stacked on some ports I don’t plan on using gaskets so machined them flat IMG_4101.jpeg IMG_4113.jpeg the next step is to clean the block then a coat of ford green
    From there it will go to the engine assembly room (the basement of the house)
    This week I will be attending the mid Atlantic pre war swap meet in Luray Virginia
    Always look forward to that
    Until the next time
    Todd image.jpg
     
  5. elgringo71
    Joined: Oct 2, 2010
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    That is a good trick to know on the Holesaws. It worked great too.
     
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  6. Found some interesting items at the swap meet this weekend
    Would like to know if anyone has seen modifications to model A spindles like this IMG_4198.jpeg IMG_4199.jpeg IMG_4201.jpeg Looks like they used new spindles
    No bushings installed and one hole not even drilled IMG_4204.jpeg IMG_4205.jpeg IMG_4203.jpeg after digging out my backing plate looks like all I need to do is cut a flat on top to clear the backing plate IMG_4223.jpeg then mount the spindle in the lathe in between centers and cut it for centering indexing IMG_4225.jpeg and of course drilling the one hole
    Had already made the parts for my backing plate modifications but haven’t welded them in yet
    Maybe won’t have to IMG_4226.jpeg
     
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  7. Found what looks like a nos intake IMG_4214.jpeg IMG_4213.jpeg and got this distributor just for the adapter IMG_4209.jpeg IMG_4210.jpeg got home and looked at my distributor that l already have ready (‘34 case with’41 11A advance plate) and it already has the hole drilled IMG_4229.jpeg here is the adapter I had already bought IMG_4232.jpeg
     
  8. Picked up a radiator splash apron IMG_4233.jpeg was always curious how it would add to the front 7C6E86F0-028D-417D-91A5-7183C356E73D.jpeg
     
  9. Got a little obsessed about these spindles this week did some measuring and also followed speedways drawing did some machining IMG_4245.jpeg IMG_4290.jpeg IMG_4274.jpeg IMG_4278.jpeg Stock model A spindle is .312” on the backplate step I made mine .150” IMG_4268.jpeg IMG_4270.jpeg on the conversion kit you buy you have a bearing spacer and according to the Tardel book image.jpg this spacer is to provide clearance between drum and backing plate
    I had previously bought this kit which uses a valve seat and didn’t like the fit so I had started machining my own but never finished IMG_4279.jpeg in theory I can make this spacer.150” thicker
    The speedway motors diagram shows I am only.100” off
    And I may not be able to space the bearing out another.150”
    I’ll have to wait till I get back to working on the chassis before I can do some assembly measurements
    I feel I can take another.050”from the backing plate face
    I’m really happy with these
    Somebody did some great work on the welding no porosity and the material they used is really hard
    Had a hard time machining it with my limited tooling
    Machined alot like stainless
    If I can figure out the bearing spacing I will have Model A spindles that will take a’39-‘48
    Backing plates with no modifications IMG_4281.jpeg IMG_4285.jpeg IMG_4286.jpeg IMG_4288.jpeg And if you were wondering what I payed for these
    When I saw them on the table I knew what somebody was trying to do and had to have them
    The sign on the table said
    This table everything $1
    So I really didn’t need that burger for lunch and spent the $2
    Now back to working on the motor
     
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  12. For this installment we’re looking at the transmission
    To paint the engine block I have decided to paint everything bolted together like the oil pan and transmission. This will save on time and things to mask off
    So first I need to clean the transmission using a wheel barrow and diesel fuel IMG_4327.jpeg got it pretty clean IMG_4328.jpeg was then able to inspect
    This transmission was still bolted to the engine so other than normal wear I wasn’t expecting anything catastrophic
    Here are the 3 problem areas
    3rd gear synchronizer looks pretty worn IMG_4329.jpeg 1st and rev sliding gear IMG_4334.jpeg some pitting on 1st of the cluster gear but no chips or cracked teeth
    No excessive end play on cluster gear IMG_4333.jpeg so now I know what parts to keep a look out for
     
  13. dirt car
    Joined: Jun 26, 2010
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    dirt car
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    from nebraska

    Some great info. from generations handed down, Thanks for sharing !
     
  14. I think previously I had showed how I made a new shifter socket for the’32 shifter tower that I am using IMG_4347.jpeg often heard of issues of transmission popping out of 2nd gear
    Looking at this old repair manual I have IMG_4354.jpeg IMG_4356.jpeg IMG_4355.jpeg since I have parts for 2 shifter towers decided to take a look
    Machined a new detent IMG_4337.jpeg IMG_4341.jpeg IMG_4342.jpeg to create more space for a longer spring I recessed an old set screw to replace the plug IMG_4357.jpeg IMG_4348.jpeg IMG_4346.jpeg then cut off the plunger
    Made it way too short the first time it wanted to go sideways in the bore
    IMG_4351.jpeg Pretty satisfied with the results IMG_4353.jpeg IMG_4352.jpeg what would probably work better is a ball the proper size with the same radius in the shaft IMG_4358.jpeg you need about a 13/32” ball
    I used a 9/32” end mill for the detent
    The shafts are pretty hard I probably trashed that end mill
    The plugs are 1/2-20 thread size
     

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  15. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    I was always taught that slipping out of second is caused by too much end clearance inside the transmission. Does the manual say anything about that?
     
  16. No and I have been trying to find specifications on end play and haven’t found anything
    I guess the thrust washers are all the same and if the case is worn that is where your excess play would be
     
  17. alchemy
    Joined: Sep 27, 2002
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    Mac VanPelt’s book has all that info, and he sells the parts too.
     
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  19. These weekly updates are keeping me motivated to continue forward
    Decided that to properly clean the transmission needed to disassemble
    Pretty easy to work on the hardest part for me was figuring out the removal of 2nd gear
    IMG_4390.jpeg IMG_4389.jpeg Everything looks worn but still in good shape at least for my intended use and budget
    Have ordered new thrust washers IMG_4360.jpeg and a good used cluster gear
    Picked up a1st and reverse gear from one of third gen’s .99cent auctions
    That is all I plan on replacing
    After looking at my parts couldn’t figure out the rear bearing retainer
    Like I was missing something IMG_4370.jpeg after much searching finally found a diagram (vanpelts catalog) IMG_4388.jpeg didn’t ever remember seeing this part then went through the old parts that I had taken off and there it was stuck to the back of the old’34 rear mount IMG_4368.jpeg so everything looks right now IMG_4374.jpeg IMG_4378.jpeg
     
  20. Got the shift tower reassembled with the’34 forks in the’32 tower
    Had to massage a little bit because the shifter fork is beefier than’32 IMG_4392.jpeg then turned my attention to sealing the front bearing retainer
    It came with some type of cork ring that rides up the shoulder of the input shaft IMG_4404.jpeg the recess in the retainer was just under 1.750”
    So I opened it up to 1.750” IMG_4387.jpeg the casting is to thin to go deeper which would be nice
    The first seals I got were.250” width IMG_4408.jpeg then I found these IMG_4409.jpeg IMG_4407.jpeg after installing and sliding it on the shaft it looks like it just starts going up the ramp of shoulder IMG_4410.jpeg then turned my attention to the shafts
    Had read about o rings and since my father used to but o rings on everything found some tooling that I am sure was used for this
    IMG_4395.jpeg IMG_4397.jpeg Used a common o ring found in the harbor freight kit IMG_4417.jpeg on first test fit it wanted to shear the o ring so I went back and chamfered the case also making sure there was no burs especially where the locking pin goes through and opened up the width of the o ring grove for squish room
    Test fitted again and everything went together nice
    Final dimensions for o ring grove.115” wide with a.590” diameter
    Should get remainder of parts in this week for final assembly
     
  21. I plan on using a lot of safety wire on this project so I purchased a drill gig here are my observations IMG_4413.jpeg you need to shim to get the hole centered especially on Henry’s tall bolt heads IMG_4420.jpeg also the head gets cocked when you tighten the drill gig bolt so the hole will be slightly off on the opposite side IMG_4421.jpeg I then put a chamfer to finish it off IMG_4423.jpeg I will need to get proficient at sharpening these little drill bits
     
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  22. Wrapped up the trans this week
    Made a bushing driver for the release shaft bushings IMG_4431.jpeg used a brake hone to get a perfect fit IMG_4426.jpeg IMG_4430.jpeg during the mock up I had made an extension for the clutch shaft and since I was going to replace the shaft I bought a piece of precision ground shaft to eliminate the extension IMG_4435.jpeg IMG_4425.jpeg here is a shot of the case before reassembly IMG_4437.jpeg counter shaft going in with new thrust washers IMG_4439.jpeg had purposely put the o ring groove close to the end of the shaft so you can push the shaft through install o ring and push back without the rear o ring coming out of its bore IMG_4440.jpeg I think I assumed that the shaft was flush with the case but it sits out a little you can just see the o ring but I think it’s still doing its job IMG_4442.jpeg I’ll know next time
    Really should replace the shaft it had wear on one side from the side load of the gears
    I turned it 180* when I installed it so the bearings are riding on a better surface for the side load
    Now I know how it is put together I can replace the shaft later
    Installed the front bearing retainer hopefully for the last time IMG_4448.jpeg it’s not a perfect trans but I know what’s in it and for my purpose I think it’s going to be great really happy how it turned out and glad to have this part behind me so when I need it it will be ready to go
    Ready for paint IMG_4455.jpeg
     
  23. dirt car
    Joined: Jun 26, 2010
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    from nebraska

    I'm sure you already knew, however referring back to your spindles blog the backing plates were the 42-48 units with the fixed lower anchors, good choice. Always wondered if the 39-41 type could be altered with fixed anchors & using the same shoes or 42-48 shoes, perhaps someone following along has done so & might chime in.
     
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  24. Thanks but actually when I bought the backing plates I was just starting this project and didn’t have a clue what I was doing have learned a lot in the past 4 years mostly due to the folks here on the HAMB
    That is why I’m showing what I’m doing maybe it will help someone else
     
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  25. Had a simple project for today
    Been working on the oil pan, cleaning, banging out dents, flattening the pan rails
    Third gen sells this for the dipstick boss IMG_4465.jpeg kinda don’t like having nuts on the inside of the pan so I made a threaded plate
    Could use button head screws for a more rivet look but happen to have a box of 100 of these 10-32 socket head cap screws just had to cut them off and of course add safety wire holes
    They also have a nice shoulder IMG_4457.jpeg IMG_4458.jpeg IMG_4460.jpeg IMG_4464.jpeg I’ll have to make sure they are no clearance problems when I go to engine assembly
     
  26. Lil'Alb
    Joined: Sep 22, 2013
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    from brier, wa

    I like your 3 point boom crane for the tractor. Always thought those old sickle mowers would be fun to restore! Would be a nice backup for the Haybine if it ever fails during hay cutting.

    Your workmanship on this speedster is awesome. Learning a lot from this thread, thanks!
     
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  27. Just a little project this week
    While I was working on the oil pan made a starter support brace IMG_4466.jpeg IMG_4471.jpeg IMG_4474.jpeg
     
  28. My father had made the “shop crane “ using a engine stand and a piece of an old gas station sign
    I just adapted it for the three point hitch and I can put the front legs back on to use it inside IMG_4494.jpeg IMG_4495.jpeg
     
  29. When I started this project I had said that if I wasn’t having fun I should step back from it or work on another aspect of the project
    Well with this heat and humidity I’m not having fun so no updates this week
    I need to go back and read my own thread I think I have some content that I haven’t posted so next week I’ll bring you up to date with some of that
    Until then I just got this book in yesterday IMG_4508.jpeg so I’m going to relax and do some reading it also helps with the motivation makes me want to get back in the shop
    Be safe out there
     
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  30. AmishMike
    Joined: Mar 27, 2014
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    Amazon has no reviews on that book. What do u think? Any good, worth the cost?
     

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