Any PA HAMBer's running street rod plates?

Joeybsyc, if you're going to drive to H-burg, there's 2 black girls that handle this stuff. The one looks like Shaka Cahn{sp?} and the other is skinny with a big gap in here front teeth. The skinny one's a bitch. Let us know how you make out. Oh yea, my buddy says Macgintee is working on a scrapage bill just like Ohio's.

 

That's correct. A street rod registered vehicle is considered re-constructed.

 

The way it works, they combine the registration process with titling and safety inspection. You can't do one without the others. I thought I'd get the Texas title for my '31 transferred to Pa. while I continued to work on the car. No Way! You have to fill out one section of the form MV426B, while your mechanic has to inspect the vehicle, verify the VIN, detach part of an inspection sticker, attach it to the form, and complete the rest of the form. Then you have to pay the sales tax on the price of the car, and the registration and title fees. The form, the payment, photos, and the title are then mailed to Harrisburg. If everything meets PENNDOT's criteria perfectly, they'll issue your Pa. title, reg. plate, and VIN plate. If not, they'll hold the title until you jump through hoops to meet their requirements. Once you get the documentation back, you must return to your mechanic who re-inspects the car, and attaches the inspection sticker. Then you're finally legal............................Good luck!

Woody

 

'fraid not! No hood, no bumpers, no fenders...........no regular registration.

 

dragging this back up to the top..

sorry this is so political ryan.. but I must... were getting the shaft here


from bulletin BI06-1
which is PENNDOT's Memo to the garage owners here in our "commonwealth" (wish they would share some with me..)


What types of vehicles will require an Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection?
A. All vehicles currently requiring the submission of an MV-426 application (for reconstructed,...and street rods will require the Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection.


AND LOOK...


If I am not an Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection Station, will I be authorized to inspect street rods and complete the required application for the purpose of having a vehicle titled andregistered in Pennsylvania?

No. Only those stations appointed as an Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection Station will be authorized to perform these functions after January 1, 2007.

Is participation in this program voluntary?
A. Yes, participation in the Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection Station program is voluntary.

Q. How many vehicles are expected to require an Enhanced Vehicle Safety Inspection?

A. PennDOT records indicate that approximately 40,000 enhanced inspections will need to be performed each year.

so essentially PADOT has just changed the rules that IF a car is modified in any way you CANT get an inspection with regular plates...

furthermore (or possibly worse) if you do have the "streetrod" plate.. you MUST go to an ENHANCED inspection station..

and keep in mind.. a list of the enhanced stations is not yet available.. (inspite of the fact that this goes into effect jan 1,2007)

ALSO of note..

one of the things the station owner NEEDS to purchase IF he wants to become an "enhanced" inspection station include:

a window tint meter, candle power meter, instant or digital camera/printer
and reference manuals illustrating the locations of public Vehicle Identification Numbers.

ok.. so..

if you have a street rod tag, you now have to HOPE that your local mechanic has become "enhanced"

AND if not.. you must locate a new garage to inspect your street rod..

AND if your car doesnt have the SR tag.. you must jump through all the hoops of the PADOT to get it tagged as a street rod and then have someone check the TINT on your windows? (in what my roadster?)

what bothers me the most is that early fords have the VIN on the trans.. so HOW will the inspeciton mechanic VERIFY that?


from where I stand were being forced to become either outlaws, or forced to be inconvienced, and of course overtaxed. (what station in their right mind is going to do a street rod inspeciton for the regular inspection rate?)


looks like we PA hambers need to make some phone calls to sema? and our reps?


who's with me? and what exactly should our message be?

help me here..

 

I guess I'm just an outlaw..

If you need any help making emails or calls add me to the list.
Clark

 

I'm currently waiting for my insurance cards to come in the mail from Grundy, then will be headed to Harrisburg with my filled out and signed forms from the inspection mechanic, photos, title, bill of sale, etc... and hope to leave with a street rod tag and title. If they reject me, it will be getting a regular plate and no inspection... which from the sound of things, even if i DO get a street rod plate, this time next year it will be running without an inspection anyhow. Legal or illegal, I'll be driving it next summer.

 

You won't be able to get a regular plate.

 

1) PENNDOT will have your title.

2) You can't get regular registration on a fenderless car.

 

Good wood...I'm sure you'll be able to get one. They just won't be "legal"
Just like I'm not supposed to have a regular plate on my truck now. Only one cop ever said anything about that and I've been pulled over a couple of times.
Clark

 

I did and know several others that have. Not saying it's legal.

PenDot doesn't get your title til you let them have it.
Clark

 

I did my coupe about 2 years ago, easy ,legal, and paid no taxes because I had a Pa. title and a reg plate. Pm me with question or we can arrange a phone call
Jerry

 

Hey Jeff,I also read on one of the PennDot sites that the shop owner has to post a $50,000 bond as part of becoming an "Enhanced" inspection station.Also,I dont know why they have to "verify" your "VIN" numbers since the state issues you a "New" VIN plate and number if you get a SR plate or a specially constructed title.

 

Remember the smog inspection stations? They built them. It wasn't till right before they were to open that they cancelled that program. I'm sure this will flop just like that.
Clark

 

i have regular registration on a fenderless car as of yesterday! i have 10 days of freedom at the moment then off to finangle my way into ohio plates

yah i had that problem yeah my vins on the frame on the A bone i told him good luck seein that one and he just wrote down waht was on the title so at lteast the notarys are being cool now a days

 

CHAPTER 19. SPECIALLY CONSTRUCTED VEHICLES, RECONSTRUCTED VEHICLES AND STREET RODS

Sec.​

19.1. Purpose.
19.2. Definitions.
19.2a. Certificate of title to designate type of vehicle.
19.3. Application for title for reconstructed vehicles or specially constructed vehicles.
19.4. Subsequent material alterations.
Authority

The provisions of this Chapter 19 issued under the Vehicle Code, 75 Pa.C.S. § 1103(g); amended under the Vehicle Code, 75 Pa.C.S. § § 1103(g), 1340.1 and 6103, unless otherwise noted.

Source

The provisions of this Chapter 19 adopted August 19, 1977, effective August 20, 1977, 7 Pa.B. 2361, unless otherwise noted. [SIZE=+1]§ 19.1. [/SIZE]Purpose.


This chapter establishes rules and procedures for titling of street rods, specially constructed vehicles and reconstructed vehicles as prescribed by 75 Pa.C.S. § 1103(g) (relating to application for certificate of title).

Source

The provisions of this § 19.1 adopted August 19, 1977, effective August 20, 1977, 7 Pa.B. 2361; amended June 28, 1991, effective June 29, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2896. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (90192). <A name=19.2.>[SIZE=+1]§ 19.2. [/SIZE]Definitions.


The following words and terms, when used in this chapter, have the following meanings, unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

Glider kit—A truck cab or cab and hood assembly, including a front axle assembly and frame rails, with or without an engine, manufactured and sold with a manufacturer’s Statement of Origin for replacement of damaged or worn components of an existing truck.

Reconstructed vehicle—One of the following:
(i) A vehicle, except an antique or classic vehicle, for which a certificate of salvage (junk) has been issued, which is thereafter restored to operating condition and which is substantially in conformance with the specifications of the manufacturer.
Example: A Chevrolet sedan restored to its original operating condition and manufacturer’s appearance for its particular year and model, after having been ‘‘totalled,’’ that is, the vehicle had damages which exceeded the vehicle’s market value, thus resulting in the vehicle being junked.
(ii) A vehicle, including a street rod, which meets the following conditions:
(A) The vehicle has been materially altered by the removal, addition or substitution of essential parts derived from various other makes or models.
(B) The Department has determined that the vehicle is readily recognizable as a vehicle of a generally recognized make or model.
Examples: A 1977 Cadillac coupe which has gone through the removal of the metal top and replacement of it with a convertible top, and similar body changes or customizing without altering the essential make or model identity of the vehicle.

Specially constructed vehicle—One of the following:
(i) A vehicle not originally constructed by a generally recognized manufacturer of vehicles under a distinctive name and not materially altered from its original construction, but assembled from parts of various vehicles or kits, or both, and which would be commonly known as a ‘‘homemade’’ vehicle, such as the assembly of a dune buggy from the chassis of a manufactured vehicle and a fiberglass body kit, or the assembly of the chassis of a Mercury and the body of a Ford, and similar combination of makes and models.
(ii) A vehicle which has been materially altered by the removal, addition or substitution of essential parts derived from various other makes and models and which the Department determines cannot be readily identified as a vehicle of a generally recognized make or model, such as the installation of a Rolls Royce-style hood and grill on a Volkswagen, and similar major ‘‘customizing’’ change tending to disguise the vehicle’s original make and model identity.

Street rod—A motor vehicle, or a reproduction thereof, with a model year of 1948 or older which has been materially altered or modified by the removal, addition or substitution of essential parts and with a gross weight or registered gross weight of not more than 9,000 pounds.

Source

The provisions of this § 19.2 adopted August 19, 1977, effective August 20, 1977, 7 Pa.B. 2361; amended June 28, 1991, effective June 29, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2896. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (90192) to (90193).

Cross References

This section cited in 67 Pa. Code § 19.2a (relating to certificate of title to designate type of vehicle); and 67 Pa. Code § 19.4 (relating to subsequent material alterations). <A name=19.2a.>[SIZE=+1]§ 19.2a. [/SIZE]Certificate of title to designate type of vehicle.


The certificate of title issued for every specially constructed vehicle and reconstructed vehicle, as defined in 75 Pa.C.S. (relating to the Vehicle Code) and § 19.2 (relating to definitions), shall clearly describe the vehicles by type as follows:
(1) The certificate of title for every specially constructed vehicle as defined in § 19.2 shall describe the make of vehicles as ‘‘specially constructed.’’
(2) The certificate of title for every reconstructed vehicle as defined in § 19.2 shall describe the vehicle by its original make or trade name but shall be coded to designate it as a reconstructed vehicle except when a vehicle is reconstructed by installation of a glider kit of a different make from the original vehicle. In this case the description of the vehicle shall indicate the make of the glider kit and include a glider kit designation. The title shall also be coded to designate it as a reconstructed vehicle. In the case of a street rod, the title shall be coded to designate it as both a street rod and a reconstructed vehicle.

Source

The provisions of this § 19.2a adopted June 28, 1991, effective June 29, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2896. <A name=19.3.>[SIZE=+1]§ 19.3. [/SIZE]Application for title for reconstructed vehicles or specially constructed vehicles.


(a) Forms. The owner of a vehicle which has been reconstructed or specially constructed shall apply for a certificate of title on the appropriate form furnished by the Department.
(b) Supplemental documents to application for title. The application shall be accompanied by:
(1) Outstanding certificates of title, manufacturer’s certificates of origin or certificates of salvage (junk), issued for vehicles, the parts of which were used in the construction of the vehicle, if the vehicles are no longer operable or able to be registered; or bills of sale for the major components of the vehicle for which no other proof of ownership is available.
(2) Departmental Form, ‘‘Report of Investigation of Specially Constructed or Reconstructed Vehicle or Street Rod’’, properly completed by an official inspection station mechanic and the applicant. This paragraph does not apply to a vehicle exempt from inspection under 75 Pa.C.S. § 4703(b) (relating to operation of vehicle without official certificate of inspection).
(3) The proper sales and use tax form.
(4) The necessary title and registration fees.
(5) Three photographs, one each of the front, rear and side of the vehicle except for a motor home, in which case, one exterior and two interior photographs shall be required. Photographs shall be signed and dated by the examining inspection mechanic. The requirement to submit photographs is waived for a vehicle reconstructed by installation of a glider kit.

Source

The provisions of this § 19.3 adopted August 19, 1977, effective August 20, 1977, 7 Pa.B. 2361; amended June 28, 1991, effective June 29, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2896. Immediately preceding text appears at serial pages (90193) to (90194).

Cross References

This section cited in 67 Pa. Code § 19.4 (relating to subsequent material alterations.) [SIZE=+1]§ 19.4. [/SIZE]Subsequent material alterations.


The owner of a reconstructed vehicle or a specially constructed vehicle which undergoes a subsequent material alteration or restoration of a type defined in § 19.2 (relating to definitions) shall reapply for an appropriate certificate of title. Complete application, including new photographs, shall be made as provided in § 19.3 (relating to application for title for reconstructed vehicles or specially constructed vehicles).

Source

The provisions of this § 19.4 adopted December 16, 1977, effective December 17, 1977, 7 Pa.B. 3806; amended June 28, 1991, effective June 29, 1991, 21 Pa.B. 2896. Immediately preceding text appears at serial page (90194).

 

He said he plans to head to Harrisburg and submit all the documentation, in hopes of securing a streetrod plate immediately. The people you and I know who run regular plates either had Pa titles already, or their cars had fenders, bumpers, and hoods when they applied for registration.
The out of state title goes along with the completed MV426b form.
The old title would have the VIN on it. In order to transfer to a Pa title, the vehicle has to be checked and the VIN verified. He still won't be able to get a regular Pa registration when they see a fenderless, modified vehicle from another state.

Like I said before, in Pa when bringing an out of state vehicle here, the title transfer and application for registration have to be done as one process. I thought I could transfer the title to my name and get a Pa title, and then wait until I finished the car to have it registered. It doesn't work that way.

 

When I got the tags for my fenderless 32 coupe all I did was go to the local notary. Handed them my NY registration and a rubbing of the serial number. After handing over a wad of cash I walked out with a tag and a title two weeks later. It's that easy. May not be legal to put regular tags on but most cops don't know that.

Going right to PenDot may pose a problem. I stick to the local notaries.
Clark

 

If i recall correctly, a clean "pencil rubbing" of the VIN stamp will suffice to verify the VIN. I bought a Camaro out of state a couple years ago, and i know no one ever visually verified the VIN, but I do recall having to make a rubbing of it. I had forgot about this until now, and just went and made a couple nice ones. I will take those along with me to Harrisburg. Another question i have is the proof of insurance... I just got a new policy with Grundy, and they e mailed me a copy of my insurance card. The lady from Grundy (which is based in PA) told me that is fine for proving i have insurance when getting registered, but i don't want to drive 3 hours to Harrisburg and have them tell me the card is phoney or something... it will be during regular business hours, so i guess if that had to call my insurance Co. and ask if i had a policy there they could, but i'm just wondering if anyone else knows anything about this? I THINK I'll be ok and get a street rod plate, i have everything i'm supposed to have. I was worried i couldn't title it as a rod here until i got a regular title for PA first, but if you are saying i CAN'T get a regular title in PA, then i guess it must be ok to go right from an out of state title for a 1932 ford to a PA Street Rod title. I have no "receipts" for the build if the car, but it was a finished car when i got it, and i have the bill of sale to verify i paid "finished car" money for it, and will pay PA sales tax on that amount as well. The VIN was verified by the inspection mechanic and he signed all the papers he needed to, and attached the half inspection sticker... All i can do is try.

 

Joeybsyc, the skinny girl with the big gap in her front teeth wouldn't accept a faxed copy of my insurance card, I had to wait for the real card. I hope your computor generated card works. Take some Darvon and leave the guns at home. Good luck.

 

Where ya from? Can you (or anyone else familiar) give some me decent directions on how to get to the DMV from the turnpike? I'll be headed east... don't remember what exit it is, or where to go from there... haven't been down that way in a long long time. You can e mail me direct at joeybsyc@aol.com if that helps. Thanks! -JB

 

yes.. but the 50,000 bond is actually something they already carry as a requirement of being a state inspection station..

prior to my research on this topic I did THINK that pa state safety inspection was a good idea..

NOW I DO NOT..

on the topic of the smog stations that padot built a few years ago..
PADOT sold the idea of local stations becomming smog inspection stations with the provision that over time the cost of the smog testing equiptment would pay for itself in revenue individual stations would recieve as a result of the emissions program

one componant of that program was that IF your car failed the program you were either pay a certain dollar amount toward fixing the problem (wether the repair totally fixed the problem and made you pass or not.)

anyhow.. the amount was 300.00 and it was supposed to go up..

IT DID NOT.. and as such many inspeciton station owners feel fleeced after paying BIG DOLLARS for emission machines..

maybe i'm the only one pissed off about this..

 

Sawzall...no sence getting upset. You know what they say....can't beat em ..cheat em! Government is too crooked to worry about!
Clark

 

JB,
You shouldn't need a tracing, since your mechanic had to state that he verified the VIN when he completed his section of the MV426B. I attached one anyway. It sounds like you are well prepared, and have everything you'll need. You have the out-of-state title, your completed MV426B with photos, and half of the inspection sticker attached. I assume you filled in the description of the modifications done to the car. I too have Grundy insurance, and I don't see why you would have any problem with your I.D. card. They can always check with Grundy. You also have a bill of sale, so as soon as you pay the sales tax and the other fees you should be issued a new Pa title, a new VIN plate, and your new streetrod plate. As soon as you install the registration plate and attach the VIN plate, per PENNDOT's instructions, your mechanic can re-inspect the vehicle and place the sticker on your windshield. You'll be on the road with the great feeling that you're finally legal.
Best of luck..........................................Woody

 

I agree with your logic at first thought, but here is the problem, when shit hits the fan and a kid runs out in front of your car and you owe millions and your insurance wont give you a dime because your car wasn&#8217;t legal to begin with, then your fucked.

I do agree with Clark to wait and see what happens with this before getting too upset. There needs to be a certain amount of reasonableness for this to go into effect, and it seems as if there is none. They (PA) are not so dumb as to have all of this go into effect in about a week with almost no inspection stations to perform the task there needs to be at least a grace period.

On the lighter side, I hear Jersey is a great place this time of year.

 

Thanks for the vote of confidence... I plan to make the trip on tuesday. As for my description of modifications, since i am going on the theory that i bought the car complete, i didn't got TOO detailed in the decription of modifications... i wrote :

"Vehicle was purchased out of state with all modifications done to the car prior to purchase. Vehicle is a 1932 Ford and was modified to street rod status with modern upgrades including V8 engine, chassis reinforcements, modernized suspension components, and exterior trim. Out of State title and Bill of Sale attached."

Do you think this will suffice? I guess since i will be standing at the counter, if they need more details i could provide them and write them on the sheet right on the spot and still be ok, no?

 

JB...........You done good, kid! Sounds like you have everything covered. You're probably stressing for nothing just like I did. When I handed the paperwork in, it went perfectly. I had heard so many horror stories, but those guys must not have been as prepared, and screwed something up.Good luck Tuesday. Let me know how you make out.......................Woody

 

exactly..

I wouldnt feel this way if that uninsured mother F'ing a hole hadnt run into my car..

in that situation it was I who GOT F'ed..
chris, jersey might be nice..

 

Your car isn't illigal as far as insurance goes. Hell the car is perfectly legal as soon as you get out of PA. Other states don't care if you have that sticker in the window.

It's illegal to speed. If you have an accident while speeding does the insurance co. have to pay?
Clark

 

Well, I'm back from the PennDot main offices in Harrisburg with some more bad news... you no longer can walk in and leave with a street rod plate... period. Doesn't matter how much info you have, etc... because it is considered a "Reconstructed" car/title, they no longer handle them on the spot, you have to simply hand the lady at the front desk all your stuff, including your title, and walk. I pleaded with anyone who would listen, but they said due to the backlog of processing, the only "specialty" tags they will do while you wait are Antique and Classic plates. NO street rod tags unless you let it there or mail it in yourself. I was torn as to what to do, walk with all my stuff and try a different route ("borrow" pics and call it an antique, get regular plates and no inspection, etc.) but finally just decided to say piss on it, and made a copy of my title, threw the original in the envelope with my pics, all my street ord application forms, MV1 form, proof of insurance, copy of my driver's license, etc. etc. and walked out the door... was REAL pissed i drove 3 hours for basically nothing, but whatever... if they reject me i'll come up with another plan. I'll let you know how i make out, but wanted to give everyone else the heads up on this in case anyone else was considering taking their stuff directly to PennDot in an effort to speed the process... it aint happening anymore.