anyone have an EMS catalog handy????

i'v ebeen trying to find some prices on EMS panels and i always get home too late to call them (i'm guessing cause nobody ever answeres the damn phone when i call) and their website is nearly worthless. not a price on it and no online ordering. i know. what did i ever do before the internet???
while we ae on the subject of EMS has anyone used their sheetmetal products?? any issues i should be concerned with?? after all it's not like they are the only game in town. i do like to shop around before i buy anything though.

anyway. if you have a catalog handy i'm looking for a price on part # EMS66. it's a rocker panel ***embly WITH floor braces. i'd like to see a pic of these parts too. i wanna know what i'm getting before i shell out the cash since it'll likely be in the $500 range (going by the prices on Chevs of the 40s website) to do both sides. i need not only the outer rockers but also the inners and the floor brace ends/body mounts. it's realy the stuff under the car that is the worst. it's all pretty simple stuff that i could make myself but at some point i have to decide what i should spent th emoney on and what i should spend the time on. i have a hard time getting excited about making new inner rocker panels and body mounts. i've already had to fab many rear inner wheel house pieces and a new trunk floor and rear body brace, NONE of which will ever be seen when the car is done. i'd rather concentrate on the fun stuff at some point.... ok, i'm done *****in.

while you have the catalog out how much do they get for the rear tail section for a 50 Chevy? the part under the trunk lid and including some of the trunks rain channel.

thanks

 

I hate to be a drag Kustom,but I havent heard much good about EMS parts.I have never installed them my self,but lots of folks on here have,and most of them didnt sound pleased.But...to answer your question,I do not have an EMS catalog.Sorry.

EVIL

 

i got a bad vibe about them just from reading their web page. sounds like they are'nt very friendly when they say stuff like "You must have your body numbers from the silver tag on the firewall. We cannot and will not answer any questions without it." i can understand dealing with customers who don't have all the necesary information when they call but saying something like "WILL NOT" is'nt very friendly to potential customers. there were a couple other similar comments that just makes me think they may have a thing or two to learn about customer service.

 

EMS66 is $195 and $270 for both of the 50 Chevy tail panels. EMS 200 coupe/sedan and EMS231 for Fleetline fastback . I have used their parts and they require a lot of work to get to fit. Hope this helps.

 

thanks. i wonder how bad they could mess up the inner rockers and body braces??? they are about $45 cheaper (per side) than Chevs of the 40s and i'm not sure about shipping. EMS is WAAAAAY closer to me.

wonder about the quality of the 50 Chevy tailpanel (coupe/sedan BTW). i don't know of anybody else making that panel.


anyone else got any comments on the quality of parts from EITHER company????

 

The last tail panel I used from them was about 5 years ago. They may have improved since then. Making a tailpanel would be pretty hard. It wasn't too bad to get to fit. If I remember right I had to re-work the trunk channel area where the seal fits. I just ordered rocker panels for a shoebox ford from Macs and when they got here they were EMS. I also have some NOS rockers so I was able to compare them side by side. The EMS panels are not as sharp on the bends as the originals. I also ordered the inner rockers and they are universal fit and not even close to original. I decided am not going to use them. I guess if the original panels are beyond repair it might be worth using the EMS stuff

 

EMS pretty much sells nothing but ****. maybe things like body braces are OK, but never buy a tail panel from them. if you have the required skills to get one of these pieces of **** welded to your car and looking factory you have the ability to make your own.

I have yet to see the 49 - 52 tail panels, but I garantee they are junk.

there are also rip off artists out there selling what they call a patch panel for the bottom 4 inches or so of these tail panels, but all they are are 4 inch wide pieces of steel bent to the contour of that part of the car. you could do that yourself by bending it over your knee

if the visible part of the tailpanel is rusted, the inner part is rusted more, meaning the repair panel needs a lip in it

.... I'll be back in a minute. wait here.

 

i KNOW i have the ability to make my own but i don't realy want to. it's a laziness thing or somethin .

the outer rockers will be getting modified anyway (not that it matters much if your running the giant stock stainless stone gaurd/trim) so i'm only concerned that they fit half way decent and follow the shape of the side of the car.

 

do do do... waiting..........

 

back...

is your car wrecked or rusted? is it worse than this one?

 

cut out the bad stuff....

 

ad some good stuff. you'll need a sheetmetal brake. here's the inner structure....

 

here's the outer piece. made it from an old door... see the shrinker in the background? and my miniature brake?

 

trim it to fit. if the rusted area was wider I'd have only needed a bigger brake. the procedure is still the same.

 

done.

 

if you only need the bottom repaired you'd be silly to use an EMS POS tail panel.

as a matter of fact, the owner of this car brought me an NOS fleetline tail panel to cut up to fix this and I sold it on ebay and made my own. this is a convertible so I couldn't have used the whole thing anyways.

 

nice work. i'l have to look at the 50 better. it's been half ***ed patched and then bondo over a long long time ago. i ground the bondo out a long time ago. regardless, that project is'nt mine and it's not being worked on right now. whenever we do get to work on it again i'll have to see about doing like you did. i have a shrinker/stretcher. i could REALY use a brake. the damage on this car is ALL across the bottom.

 

this is direct to the hamber 49 rat fink, for some one who has not seen a ems tailpan for 50 chevy which is by your own account how can you tell others the part is not correct????

you are trying to come off as some type of expert but you make a fool out your self.by comdeming a part you have never seen. 49 rat fink you seem to to have some problem with the ems company but refuse to exactly discuss it, i just installed a ems tailpan in my 37 ford flatback, it fit very very well,


49 rat fink i have a ems catalog it shows a photo of the 50 chev tailpan and it is a full complete tailpan not a 4" high patch like you said, 49 rat fink why did you lie to a fellow hamber???? you are not the expert you claim to be

i checked the mes web site it said clearly that for pontiac and oldsmobile the body tag numbers would be needed to determine the type of pontiac or olds so questions could be answered, it was clear to me . when i go to auto zone they ask me what kind of car i have when i go to the chevy dealer i need to have the v.i.n. how did this become bad service?? i think it would be hard to answer question about a car if i did not know which car i had,

the the hamber who needs catalog info pm me and i will answer the questions for you, also ems listed late hours on wendsday till 7pm eastern time and most saterday mornings if they are not a car show also. but you can ask me and i will look it up in my catalog, also on there web site i found a lit of there dealers that sell via web. it was buried but there.

i ahve done a lot of metal work on cars and have had good luck with ems products, but tell me were the discussion is about year one and my opinion changes.

 

thanks for the offer but there is no need to get all pist at 49 rat fink. he made it quite clear that he was only stating his opinion. i take that (as i do everyone OPINIONS with a grain of salt. just cause one guy says they are junk does'nt mean i'm not going to take into concideration other people's opinions, like yours. i'm glad to hear you had good luck with them.

by the way i made the comment about what it said in the website. i was just refering to how it came off. i did'nt say they were wrong just that they came off a little harsh in the way it was worded.

 

i've used a panel from ems for the front of the rear fender on a '36 ford (where it bolts to the running board). i had to cut a 3/4"- 1" section of it out (from top to bottom) on the side by the wheel opening and re-shape the curve. the panel was a good starting point as it had the rolled lip, bulge for the running board and it had a rear piece spot welded in for strength.


man i need a shrinker/strecher, i have a cheaper brake i bought from j.c whitney about 10 years ago.

 

****metal... WTF is wrong with you?

you would be the first person I have ever heard from who says they had good luck with EMS. you must work for the company. I have seen more than one POS EMS part and the work it takes to make it fit right. there is no reason to believe they have improved just for this particular part.

49 rat fink i have a ems catalog it shows a photo of the 50 chev tailpan and it is a full complete tailpan not a 4" high patch like you said, 49 rat fink why did you lie to a fellow hamber???? you are not the expert you claim to be

I know they are making the whole panel dip****. which you would need if your car was seriously damaged in a wreck, in that case the EMS panel would be almost worth it. though I would still rather take an original panel with rust holes in the bottom and fit that one in. 49 - 52 chevys are known for rust along the lower portion of the body in this area. generally up about 3-4 inches, and more towards the outside like the pics I posted of the car I did. to replace that whole panel with one from EMS would be a big waste of time and effort with the end result being a less than satisfactory repair

you are trying to come off as some type of expert but you make a fool out your self.by comdeming a part you have never seen.

never claimed to be an expert on anything. gave my opinion based on my experience with aftermarket replacement panels in general and EMS in particular. showed an example of how I repaired that same panel on almost the same car without any patch panels at all. I've made a fool of myself on many occasions, this is not one of them.

you seem to to have some problem with the ems company but refuse to exactly discuss it,

EMS sells ill fitting **** that costs a bunch of money and takes more work to make it right than it would take to fabricate the whole part yourself out of flat stock. that's about as exact as I can be.

49ratfink ...

 

now now ladies. lets not get our ******* in a bunch . seriously guys. lets just drop the drama thing. don't force me to put my old signature line back into use. i caught **** for it once but i'll do it again. it went something like "arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics, even if you win YOUR STILL RETARDED!!!" no offense to the mentaly disabled.

 

he started it

 

So could you make a patch panel for the back of a Fleetline that would at least be better than mine, which someone started to repair by riveting in pieces of galvanized metal each about 3" wide, got about a foot across from the left side of the car, and never finished, without an english wheel?

I do know a guy who has a wheel and is pretty good with it, maybe I could get a piece of tin and do the basics and have him work it to fit a little better. All in all it sounds like it should be better and cheaper than the EMS panel, and I really only need the bottom 3 inches or so. I just need it all the way across. Maybe he could roll it under in the middle, too, I have half of a '56 Pontiac bumper here I'd run if I could find the other side of one to go with it.

 

Before I even start with this, I will say that I have never used an EMS product. I'm simply commenting on my perception of them from a customer service standpoint. I was trying to simply get a price for 2 pieces of sheetmetal for my ford. I tried to call them about 10-12 times on several different days before I even got an answer...not even an answering machine. When I finally did get to talk to someone I was quickly cut off by saying that he didn't have time to give me a price because there were other phone lines ringing. I thought he was joking for a minute. Then, he told me I had to order a catalog. We'll if I'm not mistaken the catalog is pretty much the same thing that is online, so I already had the part numbers for the 2 parts. In the time it took for him to keep telling me he wouldn't give me a price he could have looked the numbers up and priced them to me. That is where my conversation and potential order ended.

 

The guy who actually did the work on this car was all over the map - the left quarter was rebuilt with these tin pieces and bondo, the right quarter was rebuilt with a 4-door quarter pasted on over the original - the 3-inch gap where the door seam was is a combination of bondo and lead. The usual rot spots in the fender tops and a couple spots around the headlights have more pop-riveted tin pieces. At least the rockers are someone's repro stampings. Close as I can tell this was all done in the 70s - (and for what I paid for it, I wasn't that worried about it)

I haven't even looked much at the inner structure - betting I could cheat and use a channel or angle across there, though.

On the bright side, with the right tools it doesn't sound too tough to manage. It's the only part of the car that's not "finished off", so I thought I'd start there and work my way forward. Have to wonder what I'll find under that tacked on quarter, though.

 

directed to rat fink 49, in reviewing your 1st post from yesterday, you continue to incorrrect, ems does not make a simple 4" tall patch for the rear of 49-52 chevies, i will agree with that the 4" tall patch being sold is a poor part but if you check the webs site of national chevy ***oc. in st paul, mn you will see that they are the source of the poor panel , now chekc the web site of ems and you will find that they show only complete panels, and they look good in the photo.

but it took me a while to figure out why your at***ude is so bad against one company, i have seen your cl***ified in parts wanted looking for 49-52 chev stuff, you have admited that you are in the biz of reselling 49 chev stuff you find, which is ok,

but my guess is you have been doing 49 chevs for a while, which is ok to, but in the last few they 49 cheves have gotten very popular,

and many compaines like ems automotive have begun producing parts for the 49-52 chevrolets,

you are simply mad and jealous that these companies are doing this and your afraid that you might lose business to these guys with new parts,

and your ***umed status as the big 49 chev expert becomes minimized.

i would suggust instead of bad mouthing people your afraid of try to market your skills or parts for what they really are and i am sure someone will buy them

 

49ratfink---.... "I'll be back in a minute. wait here."

Theres no way you fixed that panel in that little time. You must have had those pictures stored on your computer or something.

 

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