I have an IL state police investigator comming to look at my sedan today to see if the numbers on the car match the numbers on the title. there are no numbers on the car except for the new tag that i have for it (that is not yet on the car) and i did not have any numbers on the car when I got it. He said that he just has to look at it to make sure the body belongs with the title. He said I hay have to fill out paperwork for a bonded title for the car? Anyone else ever have this happen to them?
When I registered my 32 in Okla. from Mich. a little old gray haired lady about 80 wanted to check the vin. I laugh a little and then took her out and showed her the deuce. She was so happy to see something that she could relate to she just about peed her pants. Did the transfer in about 3 min. Glad she got out of the office and got to look at something but a rice burner. ________________________________________________________________ Like I told the kid, "Your music's not too loud , it just sucks!"
In a nut shell- if theres no paper/number trail for them to follow, they will assign a vin # and you will have to get it appraised and post a bond (i.e. bond title) based on that. This is to insure your not using stolen parts or trying to do something hincky. Kinda like getting bailed outta jail.
Due to all the bogus " registrations " and " Historial documents " being sold today ... some states have gotten a lot tighter on registering vehicles. Plastic repro vehicles ( like 1932's without the first part on it being made before WWII ) and others being registered as old vehicles are not PAYING the TAXES that the states believe are due. Title fraud is also a concern. You have to know that the New York state registrations that are being used so much ( openly sold on eBay and other places ) ... have many duplicates. The same vehicle was registered for many years by the same folks and they kept the registrations. 1955, 1956, 1957, 1958, 1959 and so on. So, as many as 8 or 10 different old vehicles are now running around in different states with that same VIN number. North Carolina has gotten wise to it and checks a lot of the older stuff now coming from old of state. I think is is good for the hobby that they are checking. It might help keep the stealing down a little. Both cars and parts. It also does not bother me the least that some 1-800-UPS -XXXX vehicle has trouble getting a title and has to register the thing for what it is ... a newly constructed vehicle.
No, I haven't had them come to look at mine, because I made the guy I bought it from get that taken care of first.
When you build a car from the ground up, using 70% swapmeet parts / 25% homemade parts out of the scrap bin at work and 5% 1-800 parts, it's often the only legal option.
I had a calif lost title on the 52. These had a motor vin. She had never seen this and her books didnt cover this, this said she phoned the OHP and told them she felt the car was stolen. was this a rush, three units blocking my car in. the lead sgt laffed is ass off at her expence, she was pissed not good for me. I then had to take the car down and have it checked. it cleared and given a clean bill of health. back to DMV this time she refused due to the OHP officer wasnt the one she had wanted to check. THIS IS BULL SHIT. so I went to another office and had my title in three weeks. note the bitch is now gone she pissed someone off with more juice
The investigator came by to check out the car, cook guy, liked the car but said he wouldnt be able to help me since there is not an original number on the car. that is mainly because it was so rotted when I got it. The title that I have is one of those New York registrations which is a bad on my behalf.... He gave me someone else to call and gave me paperwork for a bonded title. DAMN if I am reading it right they want 1.5 times the appraised value of the car. Well when I bought it it probably wasnt worth the toilet paper the people wipe with. but now........Thats the whole reason I built the thing is to sell it to fund other projects not to give money to the state and turn around and sell the car to pay back what I had to send to the state
That sucks! Sounds like it might help if you get the paperwork in order before you get too far on the build?
For a bonded title in Minnesota, they want pictures of all four sides of the vechicle.They also want a statement of fact,basicly the reason you have no title.They also want some kind of bill of sale and a vin number ,then they tell you what they think it worth.You then post a bond on 1 1/2 what they say its worth.It cost me $100 to get a bond on $3000 and took about 8 weeks to get a bonded title. I still dont understand what happens if someone else says its their car. The State only wants to protect themself .
now since January if you have a car that is 35 years old or older you have to take it to the dmv office and have all the vin numbers verified, so the titles you can get from ala, georgia, Md, or any other state that didn't have titles just registration are now worthless. If it doesn't have the correct vin in the correct location then you will have to get a bonded title, all modified vehicles ( ford cars with chevy motors or street rods in general will say modified on the titles) Some with the fiberglass cars have had to get titles for custom built cars for the year they are registering them. Maybe 2008 or what ever the only emissions required are the one for the make of the engine. Also if it does have a custom built title you will have to have a safety inspection on the car. Any car 35 years old doesn't have to have a safety inspection. If your car is 35 you can run a tag for the year of manufacture, you have to have a legal tag somewhere in the car to show the officer if you get stopped. Alot of us have been trying to get dmv to be more specific on these laws since Janurary maybe soon RED
Yeah, I tried that out of state title shit once. I might as well rode in on a horse as the first cop didn't even bother to look at the car. When I gave him the paperwork he just kinda laughed, then he took it over to another cop and showed him. Then they both start to chuckle and both looked over at me with the "what a marooon" look on their face. The first cop comes back over and asks what I paid for the title, I tell him, and he just shakes his head and says: "now this is the way it works"..........
the number on that car should be on left frame rail ,on topof rail before the front body mount. i agree with the post before mine from hotrod40 coupe
See my post directly above. Without coresponding,valid paperwork (and no, the store bought titles from bumfuck Ala., N.Y. or wherever aint valid) you can stamp all the numbers you want into the frame, it aint gonna do any good. The cops ain't as dumb as we may like to think they are. This is part of their job and they know the drill.
Here's what I've learned: 1) Know EXACTLY what your state wants for a title, and either have one when you start your project, or be prepared to get one, from the state, by following the state's way of doing things, once you complete your project. 2) Do not listen to any advice from anyone living outside of your state.
Well guys, I live in NY and built my 33 three window without a single 1933 part on it. Bought a Swap Meet NYS open registration from 1958, walked into the DMV office, paid my normal registration fee, and walked out with my new registration and license plates...15 minutes later. Although the car wasn't checked, I had bought a repro registration plate, stamped the numbers from the registration on it, and riveted the plate on the car. To this day the car has never been pulled over or checked...
Listen to Deuce Rails, that's the shit. Every state is different, and every state changes the rules now and then. When I got my bonded Illinois title, the bond was a surety bond, issued by my insurance co. (Allstate), and did NOT cost me the full amount. I did have to trailer to a dealer to have an appraisal done (MUCH better to do this BEFORE the restoration...), this set the value for the bond. Now I understand things are a little different, but that was over ten years back. But the most important advise is still: have a CLEAR title, IN YOUR NAME, before doing ANYTHING. Which also means, for me in Illinois, never buy anything without a clear title. Cosmo
Ditto to Cosmos and Deuce Rails. Every state is gonna be different. A bonded title in Idaho is a GOOD thing to have on a car. HERE it means that a sale between I and the previous owner had taken place at a preset value determined by and witnessed by the state of Idaho. The bond is only for 2 years and then is considered clean. However during those 2 years if the previous owner comes forth to claim his vehicle, the state forces him to accept the preset value and take the money bonded and I get to keep the car. Either way I still had to put up money for a bond and depends on how you look at it whether or not I lost it in the deal. Example; the last car I had this done on was a 1950 chev deluxe coupe from a barn last titled in '64. Value set at 50 bucks!
In anticipation of such an event, I'm stamping the same VIN number that I have on my original bill of sale & title in three places on my 27 T RPU: a plate with stamped numbers on the firewall, the chassis, and somewhere hidden under the dash panel. I know it can be a pain in the ass, but there really IS a lot of fraud out there, and I know if I'm ever going to either buy or sell vehicles in the future, I need to protect myself from the vultures that prey on this industry. I'll look for this type of ID on whatever I decide to buy, and make sure it's present on whatever I decide to sell also. My 2 cents only.
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