Damn, you guys are kinda rough on the kid.... I read his first post and I didn't see any smart ass comments. He didn't take a jab at ya until you let him have it pretty good. He swung back, that's OK... He's got nads, nads are good. I don't think his spending money with Wyotech was such a big mistake... By the time they bury him he'll have probably spent more at Micky D's than he did at Wyotech. It's not important whether or not he learned to chop, tune of paint at Wyotech. As long as he learned to learn he'll be OK. Keep askin kid... And when you land a job, work your ass off.
Your profile here on the HAMB leaves alittle to be desired. I've got a lead for you in CA but I need your full real name and will check with Brick to make sure your a "real" person worthy of my referral. I will then email you a name, address, and phone number. You should then send a resume. If you end up being a snot-nosed jerk, I will hunt you down Oh yeah, welcome to the HAMB
Sorry if my profile is lacking, didn't know the desired criteria. Anyway, Josh Freeman, class A, tell Brick I said Hi.
Denise, I also checked out his profile hoping to find out who he really is so that I might fine tune him on the art of negotiating this board and the people on it. Anyway if he is who I think he is then he'll make any shop that takes a chance on him as an entry-level employee very happy. I will do some more investigating tomorrow and will keep you informed
when i was in MN i had friends trying to hook me up in a friends shop in LA i was a machinist in MN making 16. hr very nice houses were around 120k ,he told me he would pay me what the local shops were paying wyo tech grads, i thought that was pretty coll since i had no formal training until he told me 10bucks an hour shitty houses there were around 200k i wouldnt be to anxious to come to ca unless you like starving and maybe sleeping in your car... but if your determined and you have learned some good skills, collision shops pay pretty well here, if you have your heart set on a rod shop and are willing to be a bottom feeder for a while give randy clark at hot rods and custom stuff(escondidieo) a call hes usally looking for good body guys, hes a nice guy ,but has a very good bull shit meter, just be honest on your skills and what your intentions are, he knows a lot of players he might know of someone somewhere hiring...GOOD LUCK!
ELpolacko, You sure do love to hate on us(WyoTech). I know of your past experiences with some of our graduates but let me assure you that the majority do not have federal marshals after them and are actually quite capable of entering a shop such as yours and providing quality service and revenue for the owners. I respect you as shop owner and a true hot rodder thats why I have shown my lasts two classes your comments regarding our students as well as everybody elses so that they can know what their up against entering this field. Believe me as you sleep or sit in front of your computer there is a Wyotech grad is surpassing you, we're everywhere and you might be surprised what grads in the field only a few years are doing
[ QUOTE ] Believe me as you sleep or sit in front of your computer there is a Wyotech grad is surpassing you, we're everywhere and you might be surprised what grads in the field only a few years are doing [/ QUOTE ] this is an idiotic statement,... wyo-tech and their teachers cannot take credit for a few determined individuals, and id bet my bottom dollar the STUDENT wouldnt be as uppity about their skills around a seasonded builder. there are people who have the ability to absorb ideas and concepts faster than others. this by no means can be attributed to a trade school.. credit should be given to the teachers who can motivate their students to excel beyond the curriculum, these teachers are RARE. i didnt land a job in my profession because of the college i went to, and neither did my friends who attended with me. we succeeded because we had passion... this means taking on low paying SHIT jobs, working insane hours..basically PAYING YOUR DUES and proving to your superiors that you have the capability to be a professional....
dear drdeath ! keep trying, sounds like you stumbled upon some negative people,you might be quilty of posting your help request in the wrong place but you learned this lesson im sure. im sure some of the people putting you down and the school now did not have as much will power as you when they were your age. i quess it would be better if you did drugs,drove around gang banging in a honda killing their kids street racing.your choice ! dont let them get to you down and channel your energy in a positive direction as you are doing. there are plenty of places looking for positive individuals it just may take time.
[ QUOTE ] .....life is 99% luck..... [/ QUOTE ] BRUSH!!! you can't be serious! luck ain't got NOTHING to do with it. i'm a smart guy. my older brothers are both full-on, certified geniuses. and not in the egg-head, can't relate to normal people type of way either. i mean smart, cluey, people. you could say, they were lucky for being born smarter than me. guess who makes more than both of them combined, and doubled? ... their dumb-arse brother. and they say i'm lucky! lucky WHEN!? when i worked at a less than ideal job, and hard, because it was there? or lucky when someone outside the firm noticed me and gave me another, better position closer to where i wanted to be. or maybe it was luck that i impressed a client so much at that firm (after contact with thousands of others) that he made a better offer, and gave me the DREAM job i have now. LUCK!? luck schmuck, i say. luck's got nothing to do with it dr-death, it's about what you put in, and how much you enjoy it. if you love working on cars, and you put the effort in, mate, you could have earned your certificate at wyotech, a local community college, or a public toilet, it doesn't matter... you'll make it. good luck (not).
So why does this kid going to Wyotech mean shit to you guys. HE'S TRYING. It's one more kid that isn't gonna go "ricer" and put big fins on a Civic. You should be EMBRACING him, because, sure as I write this, there are other lurkers watching. What a great thing for someone who genuinely wants to LEARN to see, a bunch of fucking whiners dogging him for trying. He didn't come on and say he was a better builder than Barris. He asked a question. Geez. Didn't someone just write a story about a kid who hung around with his next door neighbor, hot rodder, to learn about hot rodders? Didn't almost everyone relate to that story. Didn't it get anything but good reviews? Well, here's that kid, and you guys are the next door neighbors... I don't remember the guy in the story turning the kid away like some of y'all did... You guys really should lighten up. Oh, and just because some Wyotech grads may not amount to much, doesn't mean you can immediately jump to conclusions about all of them. Just my 2 cents. Jay
Well Im home from work early and decided to read this post. Why and hell would I do this this early in the morning. Heya drdeath....Mob mentality rules here on the HAMB. There are a lot of people here that are ready to sling shit on anything you do...or learn. Lots of people bitch and whine but never produce....group thinking equals group results. With my negative comments come the positive. There are many amazingly talented people here on the HAMB...and many of them are willing to share info and help with advice and give good direction. Anyhow glad ya finally did an intro....and I think I let my Bi-polar side show just a bit to much on this post. Mike
ok, ill apoligize. i have a bad habbit of judging all by a few. i make it a point to go to the wyotech show every year. i have no idea why, but i keep doing it. i usually leave about an hour or two after i get there. which is unusual for me, i usually stay till the end. seems like i find all the snot nose brats that go there. and the rockabilly crowd there has some kinda wierd attitude that i cant get over. but hell, you are probably a good kid. my uncle inlaw has been thinking of going out there to be an instructor. god i hope he doesnt, im getting the education for free! maybe ill see you at the show this year josh. i plan on taking my 28 dodge, no matter what condition its in. if you decided against cali, there are a few rod shops in cheyenne that would probably love to have a wyotech grad. trey
[ QUOTE ] Sorry if my profile is lacking, didn't know the desired criteria. Anyway, Josh Freeman, class A, tell Brick I said Hi. [/ QUOTE ] Filling out your profile helps a lot. First off it's all about location, location, location. Maybe a little bio, nab it from your intro, just let us know about ya... Oh yeah sorry about the naysayers...
[ QUOTE ] this is an idiotic statement,... wyo-tech and their teachers cannot take credit for a few determined individuals [/ QUOTE ] Plan9 said it very well here. Love to hate you guys? You missed my point man. The last time we locked horns I told you it is nothing personal against you or the school you work for but there is no possible way you can teach skill to the untalented in the limited time you have them and you can only give limited experience to those with talent. I am not the only shop owner in this area with the same atitude, trust me. Did you catch this from Tinbender: [ QUOTE ] Hell,for what you spent for 9 months at wyo tech, you could have taken our two year auto collision program, bought ALL your tools, taken 6 quarters of our night classes in rod and resto, AND built a car! [/ QUOTE ] In relation to drdeath here, he has come off cocky as hell, and typical of nearly EVERY WyoTech student I have interviewed. Seriously man, I have a large folder of WyoTech resume's and have interviewed a large portion of them and very, very few were humble. Trust me buddy I will not lose any sleep over missing a few students not coming to my shop. When we do hire we local talent with welding experience. We are a welding and fabricating shop concentrated on building rolling chassis and component parts for classic trucks. We do not install stereos, shave door handles, fill tail lights or etch glass!
Does Wyotech offer their students a class in people skills? Coming in all cocky to a job interview may work someplaces, but it doesn't fly small business owners.
Elpolacko, when I was a newbie in this country I went to Mid Florida Tech to get my ASE certifaction. Not only was I a newbie, I had a thick Lancashire accent, I was a punk rocker with spiked hair, peg leg jeans and Doc Martens. Everywhere I went I heard, "Hey Devo, Hey B52, Hey fag." I was given shit so much I just kept my mouth shut and tried to learn as much as I could. The loud mouthed marijuana smoking assholes with their Camaros were the biggest fuck ups of all. The best student in the class was this cute Puerto Rican dyke who just went about her business. I'm glad drdeath is wanting to learn but I'm not about to cut someone slack for being arrogant and not learning the rules. Life has rules, and rules ought to be respected. Now that drdeath has told us a little more about himself I'm sure the welcome mat will get longer, and we sure as hell need young blood in this hobby. So welcome kid, best of luck to you. PS, we're the home of Motor Cycle Mechanics Institute, MMI. If you want to see a parade of tattooed, hopeless, starry eyed fucks who think that a graduation paper from there will turn them into the next Jesse James, c'mon down. Little do they realize that the glut of grads down here means that HD shops pay their mechanics $15 an hour (if they're lucky) and if you want to start at the bottom, counter guys get minimum wage. I've met a lot of great guys thru MMI, it seems they all invade my favorite pubs. But almost always they leave disillusioned and sore. I can count on one half of one hand the number of guys who're actually making a decent living after becoming an MMI graduate. Ask Zor, the poor kid graduated with honors and he just shipped off and joined the navy. These schools have a way of painting a rosy picture so they can grab your tuition money. But real life is a whole lot tougher. An asskicking during one's formative years might be the best medicine, but it could also be a spirit breaker.
I have said this before and will say it again for emphasis. Not that I am aware of, and in all fairness to the teachers and staff there, there is little they can do about it. Most of these "kids" are very young and haven't had much time to develop their people skills. Trust me, I take those things into account when I do interviewing.
alright,guys,let the kid breath! he's barely got his feet wet and knows it and is just lookin for someone to help him get his foot in the door.yeah,he picked a bad place to post this and it DOES look like he's comin off kinda cocky.but i can kinda relate.i'm 21,live in corn-shuckin ohio,and have less than anything experience.the only car i've worked really hard on has been my chevy and all of my dad's cars growin up.i went to a local tech skool and got an associates degree in mechanical engineering (big waste of money and time) and no one will hire me with it because it's not a bachelors or i dont have 6 years experience.i'm gonna be takin some welding classes this summer,as well as some autobody classes and whatever else can help me along.just be patient and dont be afraid to work.if you want jobs in your area,find some body shop that'll hire you and make you some friends,then work on their cars or see if there's anyone who does need work.hang around.talk to people.that's how you learn and make friends,and with that you're bound to keep yourself happy. ~creepy
[ QUOTE ] i went to a local tech skool and got an associates degree in mechanical engineering [/ QUOTE ] you get what you make it.. expanding your knowledge isnt a waste of time, education beyond high school isnt a waste of time. it is up to YOU, the student to learn something and apply the knowledge creatively... and maybe someone will like your work and payup the big money to own it.
[ QUOTE ] So why does this kid going to Wyotech mean shit to you guys. HE'S TRYING. It's one more kid that isn't gonna go "ricer" and put big fins on a Civic. You should be EMBRACING him, because, sure as I write this, there are other lurkers watching. What a great thing for someone who genuinely wants to LEARN to see, a bunch of fucking whiners dogging him for trying. He didn't come on and say he was a better builder than Barris. He asked a question. Geez. Didn't someone just write a story about a kid who hung around with his next door neighbor, hot rodder, to learn about hot rodders? Didn't almost everyone relate to that story. Didn't it get anything but good reviews? Well, here's that kid, and you guys are the next door neighbors... I don't remember the guy in the story turning the kid away like some of y'all did... You guys really should lighten up. Oh, and just because some Wyotech grads may not amount to much, doesn't mean you can immediately jump to conclusions about all of them. Just my 2 cents. Jay [/ QUOTE ] I AGREE I DONT GET BLASTING THIS KID FOR WANTING TO FIND A JOB IN HOT RODDING WHATS WITH ALL THE ADITUDE,HES TRYING, I LEARNED LOTS OF TRICKS FROM SEASONED PROS WHEN I WENT TO TRADE SCHOOL FOR MACHINING I CONSIDER MYSELF PRETTY SMART AND WOULD HAVE PROBLEY PICKED IT UP ANY WAY, BUT I GOT A GOOD HEADSTART, + NO MACHINE SHOP WOULD BE WILLING TO HIRE YOU WITH OUT THAT STUPID DIPLOMA, MOST PLACES ARNT WILLING TO TRAIN ON THE JOB,UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME KNOWLEDGE GOING IN ,HOW MANY ADS HAVE YOU SEEN IN THE PAPER THESE DAYS "NO EXPERIENCE NESSARY"? ITS NOT 1962 ANYMORE THAT SHIT RARELY EXISTS THE CAR SKILLS I HAVE LEARNED HOWEVER I GUESS YOU GUYS WOULD BE PROUD I DID IT ""OLD SCHOOL"", TRIAL AND ERROR, IM 26 ...SAY FROM AROUND 10 YRS OLD I STARTED MESSING WITH CARS IN THAT SHORT TIME I FUCKED UP TONS OF SHIT "LEARNING" I SAY GET OFF THE KIDS CASE IT SOUNDS LIKE HES TRYING!
I have posted about WYO Tech before and I will again, I cant stay silent any longer. I went there the first time in 82 for upholstery the teacher was 85 at the time and ruled with an IRON FIST! We could not cuss horse around or anything he ran it like a business. I was 18 at the time with a Scotish father so I was used to this. I learned so much from him (the teacher and father also). Yes in the class we had a few idiots but compared to the second time I went in 98 for the Hot Rod coarse, WOW! Within this first week at a break time I went into the office where the instructors were and ask them what the hell is going on. We got kids in here totally disrupting the class and I came there to learn something and if they arent gonna say something I will. If you do the math I was 34 at the time. The reason I went was for vocational rehab I was injured at work and they wont give any jobs other then office work and I cant be stuck in an office all day. I had already owned my body shop and had built cars before this but what it did for me was give me a semblence of order and if you want you could call it theories. Any way we had atleast 50% of the class of total idiots for the most part the rest wanted to learn something. I almost got into fights with a tool from Lubock Texas (no offense to our Texas brothers) because he thought I was trying be a leader and had no idea I had just had an operation on knee a week before school started. Just stupid shit like that so it is hard for these guys and gals coming from WYO Tech to shed that kind of history. So I guess my point is Drdeaf is first change your name and when you go to look for a job dont go in syaing I AM A WYO TECH GUY YOU MUST HIRE ME. Because like a lot of guys have already said the employers are not impressed with that. SAR here in Portland has hired some people from WYO and he said he will not be doing that for a while. I guess I have said too much already and will shut up now.But good luck and dont give up. Danny ps shaving everyday for class sucked I havent shaved my chin since Dec 18 98 the last day of school.
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] .....life is 99% luck..... [/ QUOTE ] BRUSH!!! you can't be serious! luck ain't got NOTHING to do with it. i'm a smart guy. Jeez Autocol!!..take a breath......All I meant was that you have to be at the right place at the right time..And as a jr. in ANY position in todays world I believe(READ: MY OPNION)ya gotta have LUCK to get your foot in the door of your chosen proffesion.....in mine anyways. I dont want to beat on this kid no more.....If he cant take the ribbing here ..he aint ready for the real world..... and yer right.your not LUCKY or smart. (dont blow a seal dude....thats a Joke!
Everyone gets slamed here, in the begining... A intro is necciary same for a full profile. I was slamed for my dreams and a stupid fake part post, but shit happens, and every thing is cool after about a week or soo... Im in high school and will go to Wyotech for a 6 month course. Only because i want something to write on my reasume to GM or some other corperation. Then hopefully ill get into ITT for enginering.. I agree that 99% of life is luck/ fate, but you make your own decissions ,and good luck.. steve-
Well DrDeath, welcome to the HAMB. You've received a good stomping, and it is just a sample of the mentality that will pervade your initial years in your chosen field - no matter what that field might be. Those with more experience will always let you know that you are low-man-on-the-scrotum-pole, but it is nothing that THEY did not go through in their initiations to real life. Stay humble, work hard and you will eventually get what you want out of life - it just may take longer than you would like. An instructor of mine once told me: "be a sponge" and that phrase has stuck with me and made more and more sense with every passing year.
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