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Technical Anyone try Eastwood Opiflow roll on Epoxy primer?

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  1. Budget36
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    I can get by sand blasting in my driveway, the tall cypress trees will help with that. But spraying anything will get this fella next door on the phone. We were “inducted” into the City limits a few years ago, so I’d like to roll it on to eliminate the fumes from a spray guy.
    Thanks.
     
  2. hrm2k
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    I tried it. If the temp drops below 65 during a 4 day period after applying , the curing process will stop and the product is like warn chocolate. It took 9 months before it was hard enough to sand off.
    My opinion, find something else !!!
     
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  3. notaford1
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    I used the Eastwood roll on primer and was very satisfied. It was a little thinner than I thought but two coats did the job. Bought a gallon and only used a little more than half for whole car. No overspray every where and just some drips on floor. I’m blocking car now and it sands fairly easily IMG_2993.jpeg
     
  4. dirt car
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    Wondering with regards to adhesion over time, I've seen it listed but no idea how long it has been on the market, has anyone used it 1-2 years ago or longer ?
     
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  5. Budget36
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    Good information.
    I’ve a HF car port/cover thing. I’ll drop som blue tarps around it and put a few heat lamps on it.
    Right now we’re hitting low 60’s in the early am. I plan on starting around the 10 of next month.
     
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  6. Budget36
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    Hope I don’t find out. I just need winter protection until the spring time or so. Then I’ll take the car to my kids friends place and have him spray it
     
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  7. Bandit Billy
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    Tell the neighbor you have a room at the beach you cant use next weekend, spray it while he is gone. It doesn't have to be an expensive room. :cool:
     
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  8. K13
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    The fact they don't seem to have a TDS for it would be a non starter for me.
     
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  9. Budget36
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    I realize you’re in the business, but what is a TDS and what would I learn from it? Im familiar with (may be an old term now) MSDS.
     
  10. K13
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    Technical Data Sheet. Gives you all the information on what you need to do to use the product. Maybe its just an issue with their website but they don't seem to show them for any of their primers. Maybe they don't have them online but I wouldn't buy anything I can't look at that type of information before hand so for a company who relies on catalogue/websales for the majority of their business it would be a red flag for me that they don't put them online like every other company does.

    MSDS is Material Safety Data Sheet all the safety aspects of the product which is now just SDS.
     
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  13. lothiandon1940
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    ....WOW!
     
  14. K13
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    Your situation sounds more like bad hardener than anything else. Primer should be cured withing 24hrs at the most and 65 shouldn't stop the cure process. Hardeners basically lose strength over time so in essence you need more than the recommended amount to achieve the same results.

    Ultra slow cure times indicate the hardener had lost/never had the majority of it's curing strength. Cool weather would slow that further but unless it was well below 60 I don't think the temperature had much to do with your issues. You got bad product.
     
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  15. Budget36
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    I’ll fashion up a few more stands for heat lamps. She’ll stay warm enough for sure.
    I’ll probably use 70-100watt lamps, 4 of them angled to the surface. As mentioned currently 61 or so in the early mornings now, but this won’t be happening until around the 11th or 12th of next month.
     
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  16. K13
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    I would be very careful with heat lamps on a product like this. Its going to be going on fairly thick if you are rolling and the surface will cure before the insides if you direct heat directly at it which could lead to a whole bunch of other issues.

    Things like this are why I would never use a product that didn't have technical information with it because it is a complete crap shoot.
     
  17. hrm2k
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    Eastwood gave me those particulars as to temp. According to their customer servive, it should not be applied in less than 70 degree temp.
    Of course, they could be wrong
     
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  18. K13
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    Sounds like a cop out to me. Everyone gives basic specs on their product right around 70 degrees. That is ideal working temp for most catalyzed products. Look at any TDS and I bet 90 % plus will provide dry times, pot life etc right around 70 degrees as that is right in the middle of what is considered room temp. That theirs stops curing completely under 70 seems ridiculous. It's easy to make up numbers to cover your ass when you don't provide any actual information to your customers.
     
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  19. Budget36
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    Well, if a TDS doesn’t come with it, I’ll call and ask for one. As you mentioned, they should have one, maybe just not on the website.
     
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  20. Budget36
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    Tell your thoughts on this idea. I need to drop the head liner to patch some on the roof.
    There will be a stiffening structure then the roof. What about a heat lamp (or two) aiming straight up to the roof, plug it in at night, unplug it when I get up.
    I’m replacing the carpet, so may as well pull the seats out now, make a little tripod to hold the lamp(s) and keep the underside warmer.
     
  21. CSPIDY
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    Most all epoxys will flow out and can be applied with a roller
    a heat lamp will not hurt the drying or curing process other than shortening the time
    although the sun is the best heat lamp I ever found
     
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    IDKWEOYITA
     
  23. ALLDONE
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    pretty much any paint can be rolled on and will get better a adhesion.. spraying is just quicker and has a better finish
     
  24. oldsmobum
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    Some municipalities allow for driveway “repairs”… Can you get away with just doing one panel at a time?
     
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  25. Budget36
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    I’m just wanting to stop the sin through the winter. One neighbor wouldn’t mind, one would complain for a loud fart.
     
  26. 37 caddy
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    Check with some bodyshop material suppliers,they do have rollers made just for this as some jurisdictions do not allow it to be sprayed in the shop floor,it would come as a set with a roller and a little tin foil dish to mix it in.Winnipeg Manitoba is one that has it?.Myself i think its a great idea for priming a small spot,you dont have to mask and no gun to clean after too. harvey
     
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  27. ALLDONE
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    kinda like at the swap meet....hey, what does that fit.?? whatcha got... it should fit...
     
  28. CSPIDY
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    Urathane and polyurethane paint tends to bubble up when applied with a roller, they have anti bubble agent you can add to prevent this.
     
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  29. gene-koning
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    If the OP is going to apply the primer with a roller, he will be doing one panel at a time. He will probably be refilling the roller pan after each panel. the priming process with a roller is a lot slower then the spraying process. Two coats is going to take a few hours.
    At least that was how its worked out for me, but that could just be my fault.
     
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  30. Budget36
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    Is Epoxy Urathane or poly based?
     

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