are you kidding

look into fixing the problem... start at the venting system for the engine. sounds like blowby by your description, normal for high mile motors. any auto supply store should stock oil thickening additives, ultimately the shit starts to gum up the engine after prolonged use, its only a temp fix... you might need to get a pro to tune up your motor in case they stick a sniffing device in your tail pipe.. most old cars are completely out of tune, id actually start there FIRST, then try the additive.

i doubt you are screwed man.. stop worrying about it... make it your business to know what you are talking about.

most of the replies here are from people outside california "just move" ... thats a stupid suggestion... runaway from the problem, that always works...?? wow

 

isnt that why its called a breather its doing its job the factory put it there

 

I live a couple of blocks from the police station so ill go down there and get it checked out and ask them to sigh it off thanks for all your advice

 

I think trying to get out of the checkpoint got their hackles up then they tried and did find a B.S ticket just to let you know who is in charge

 

Call Jay Leno and ask him how he can drive his Stanley Steamer(s) without harassment or lawful enforcement of interpreted codes?
Realizing he's a celebrity and has deep pockets,he should still have an idea?

They probably had to do something when you tried to u-turn it out-of-there.
Police are a suspicious lot and go into most situations not knowing what to expect.
Sometimes they could do a bit better with the "punishment fitting the crime?"
Just my opinion...

 

He was citied for California Vehicle code #27153 which states "<!-- #BeginEditable "section_content" -->No motor vehicle shall be operated in a manner resulting in the escape of excessive smoke, flame, gas, oil, or fuel residue. <!-- #EndEditable -->
<!-- #BeginEditable "addl_section_content" -->The provisions of this section apply to motor vehicles of the United States or its agencies, to the extent authorized by federal law."
This law was enacted in 1972 when the first round of smog laws were aimed at owners not manufacturers. The gray area of course is the definition of excessive and that is open to interpretation and the officer is certainly allowed leeway here by the courts. You could try and fight it on the grounds that it is vague but you probably won't get far. The best bet, unless it really is a smoking pig is to take it to the cop shop to have it signed off when the motor is cool so that it isn't creating a bunch of blow by and therefore not smoking out the breather. If it is a smoker, you will probably have to rebuild it to cure the problem.
In this type of case i have had a friend who owns a repair shop write me a repair order to replace faulty breather or something similar, that way you show them that you made an effort to repair it and all is good now.
As for the dorks who say move or California sucks, pull your head out - every state has it's problems and if you don't like ours keep it to yourself, no one wants to hear your uneducated views. And to be honest I don't have a problem with this law as long as it isn't abused. I've had to sit next to enough clapped out old pieces of junk that are bellowing out blue smoke that are ruining my ability to breath to know that this law can be used to help get that crap off the street.

 

Check point I'm glad I live on the free side of the country. WE don't have check points. Our cops don't hassle us. don't thy have better things to do

 

I used to get hassled for loud exhaust and got my fair share of fix it tickets. Just get them signed off and move on, not much we can really do about it.

And it does not matter where you live, shit happens everywhere.

Sometimes you get the bear and sometimes the bear gets you.

 

thanks guys i guess just try to get it signed off and keep on cruising.

 

Nor where I'm at. They have check points on holidays to cut down on DWI, but Pre-announced. The Pre-announcment is a deturrent, and works. They are only allowed to check for the stated purpose, and dont go willy-nilly on other things. I doubt if a particular check-point has EVER been set up to check for emissions? Random checkpoints have never won a Supreme Court case. It's just that some jurisdictions simply ignore the Constitutional rights of the public. As long as people keep electing them and accepting it they'll step over the line.

It&#8217;s about Police power, unconstitutional infringement, disregarding personal property rights, , without due process, disregarding the presumed innocence, stopping cars without just cause.

 

The law concerns "escape of excessive smoke, flame, gas, oil, or fuel residue"
Has nothing to do with steam

Seems like that could be held up for interpretation too?
Steam is a combination of things,don't you think? What is the vapor made of?
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I've been asking this question for a couple of years now,

AND still no answer ,

I Just see it going more down hill,and picking up speed.......

 

lol, steam is water

 

Cops are human they make mistakes to, and he knew what he was doing was wrong so chances of seeing him in court are not that likely IF it gets to that point. I would go to the clerk explain what happened they might have you pay a "not guilty bail" (wich is stupid) and then you go to a CHP station because inspection is free and they are very sharp with CA VEH. CODE. unlike most police departments. However if you have aftermarket high performance parts EVEN THOUGH your car is smog exempt it doesnt mean you can modify it! I know it makes no sense, so if you do (it all depends on the officer doing the inspection) there is a chance the officer doing the inspection can refuse to write the ticket off for modifications, I doubt it though. IF that happens try another CHP station, that happend to me once, I went to the CHP station in Altadena in a early 70's Comet I got cited for "unlawful lighting" the officer started finding more things wrong with my car as soon as I pulled up and had this disgusted look on his face! It was a veteran officer and he was a MOPAR guy, (maybe that was the problem). Anyway I then went to the station up near Magic Mountain and this time a rookie officer came out,he liked my car, we talked cars for a while and then goes "oh ya, what were you here for again?" I told him what happend, he shook his head and wrote the ticket off. What it all comes down to IMO is luck. Next time DO NOT try to turn around if you get caught in a check point, it seriously pisses them off! Good luck!

 

It has NOTHING to do with the question at hand.
If you want to comment about the problem and have advice that will help,GREAT.
If you're going to make comments about where someone lives,keep it to yourself.

That is O/T and does nothing to contribute to the problem at hand.

 

So I gather so far that it was oil vapour blow by coming out of the breather....Unless the cop took a sample of the vapour and tagged it for analysis I,d be going to court and saying that it was just STEAM. Since steam is not a smog product or harmfull to the atmosphere I,d then request that the case be dropped.You did say to the cop it was running hot....

 

How about act like a man.

You tried to run from a check point. You lied to the first cop about the car overheating and steaming and then lied to the second cop about nothing being wrong, when you know damn well its smoking out the breather. You tried to school the cops about smog law, and your wife tried to tell them how to do their job. Then you're surprised the cop got tired of listening to you?

Cops aren't dumb. They knew you tried to run because you're guilty of something.

Maybe next time you could say yes sir and no sir and tell the cops the truth. Cops like that. They're usually car guys, and they might just give you a break. If you get a ticket, well, you're guilty, they're not just picking on you, take it like a man and go fix your car.

It's really that simple.

 

61 Bird; The question at hand was about a police check-point. Selective interpretation aside, you can't ignore that.

Random checkpoints have never won a Supreme Court case. It's just that some jurisdictions simply ignore it and step on the Constitutional rights of the public. Random checkpoints are unconstitutional in every case they have been litigated.

I'll cut and paste my first remark on that for your review, 61 Bird; .
My Words; "Before the evolution of "the greater good", in the last twenty years, those "check points" were considered unconstitutional, (illegal search), in most areas of the U.S. of A. Checkpoints were for screening traffic departing an area where there had been a jail break or a mass murder, in emergencies. Now, they are routine. There is no doubt in a reasonable person's mind that check points are a method of harrassment, But with the decline in our social structure, with the advent of socialism, it's now considerded Ok. "

It&#8217;s inconceivable to me that someone wouldn&#8217;t consider moving to escape tyranny., given the fact that I chose where I live. Yes, I had a choice, and wouldn&#8217;t stay where I am for a minute longer if the political climate sent south. People move every day for more trivial reasons.

You, 61 Bird; live in a police-state. As for telling you what to do or say, I digress. Deal with it as you wish. You can give me the same slack.

 

Exactly my point Denise.I cut and pasted the former and added my opinion under it.
Sometimes water in an engine has additives which here in MD are "contributing to the waste products entering the Chesapeake Bay."
The Police here don't seem too concerned,but the Emergency Responders...
Okay,back on topic-
Hope o2bdone can resolve his issue quickly and painlessly!

 

The cop probably wrote you up because he's jelous. I've been stopped a couple of times for bullshit stuff by bored cops who wanted to see my car. One cop lit me up, when I pulled over he actually told me it was a slow day and kept me for half an hour talking, never wrote me up.

 

On the subject of CA. It seems every (OK many) cool cars come from there. You guys don't have salt on your roads, can drive your cars year round. When you find an old car it is not rusted 1/2 way up the doors......all in all CA sounds pretty good to me.

 

I have never gotten a ticket telling a cop the truth. They spend so much time dealing with bullshit artists that they actually become human lie detectors...

"Is your car smoking, is something wrong with it?"

"Yes officer, it does that if it sits idling too long, that's why I was turning out of line."

"Oh, okay, have a good evening then."

I took my Jeep Cherokee through a wet intersection SIDEWAYS one day because I panicked and stomped on the gas. The cop that pulled me over was PISSED! He actually yelled at me when he walked up next to the car, "What exactly was that about!?!" I looked at the man and said, "I'm sorry officer, when I looked at the light it was green, and then when I looked again it was red and I was out in the middle and I stomped on it to avoid getting hit. I panicked and screwed up."

What happened, do you think? He let me go, told me to be more careful at the lights. I've been pulled over with no brake lights, current tab not showing, and no proof of insurance in the vehicle. Found the tab in the glove box, made no excuses for the rest. You guessed it, got off with a warning. Got pulled over by a police station, going the wrong way down a one way street, license expired, off with a warning. Got pulled over by a Washington State Trooper for having no windshield in a vehicle that was obviously damaged (log loader with crushed cab-don't ask...). Off with a warning.

On and on and on, and why? Because I make no excuses and I don't lie to them.

Try it once, you might be suprised...

As for your breather issue, why not use a PVC and run it back into a closed air cleaner? Problem solved, for now.

 

Hmmmm, I'm guessing your a cop...or a Cancer. One of the 2.
I agree with always telling them the truth but...
either way, how about the cops stop fucking with the public citizens and doing there job? You know STOPING CRIME!
There was no crime and it was complete bullshit. A total and complete case of revenue generation and a complete and total ignorence of what the hell he was looking at.

Kinda like the cop that pulled me over and tried to write me a ticket for no seat belts in my 1949 Ford. me "Officer, they didn't come with seat belts"...cop "bullshit, don't lie to me.." me "ummm, ok, can you call you SGT. down here right now please". He loved that one and he did call a superior officer down. I got let go with no ticket, he got made to look like a dumb ass.

Have you noticed that there are more and more cops out writing tickets now that they have no money? Hmmmm, wonder why?

How about the cops start acting like men and fight real crime and real criminals instead of picking on the public at large who they KNOW will do nothing and take.

 

i'd fight it. it's a bullshit ticket. says specifically fuel, oil, whatever. simply explain that it's steam which is nothing more than water.

when i lived in colorado my buddy got pulled over on his motorcycle because some cop thought it was too loud. wrote him a ticket for excessive noise. my buddy fought the ticket and one because there was no definitive db level as to what is considered "excessive noise". what is loud to one cop may not be to another. can't have cops enacting the law however they see fit. there needs to be a metric or rule that is black and white and easy to enforce.

if it was really steam coming out then i'd fight it. if you've got a tired old motor that's on it's last leg rebuild the thing for your own sake.

 

Nope... I don't buy it. I tell the truth and get a ticket every time. Oh well, you must be a lucky man or I am not?

 

ha you think cops get to choose what or where they patrol or who they ticket? not likely. when i lived in colorado springs it was publically announced that the cspd was cracking down and citing speeders specifically to generate revenue for the city. how do you think shit gets paid for where you live?

don't blame the cops (although some of them are fucking idiot assholes - some, not all). blame the guys that sign their paychecks.

 

Oh, I do blame the sad sacks they have to answer to, I think that ALL of California congress and senate should be impeached.

I have friends that are cops. Cool guys. And yes, they can choose who to ticket.

Case in point, I knew a cop that would sit during the morning briefing, listen to what violations they were seeing an increase in, write the tickets during the briefing and then just find some poor saps to pin them on. Nice huh? Most are good, others are just in it for their own deal.