Articles wanted for WebRodder.com, HAMBer input a must!

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Gosh, I guess I don't have a*****in' clue about doing any of this work that you're talking about . . .

Do your homework and know your audience!





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I guess I could say the same thing to you...never heard of you, but I'm tired of foolin with you. I basically asked if anyone wanted to contribute, you asked a question and I answered it. Then you call ME lazy claiming I didnt answer you, but all you had to do was read. Simple task. I have better things to do that argue with someone who has nothing better to do. As I said, if you dont want to contribute or read the site for that matter, it makes absolutely no difference to me.

Ryan, if you care to explain your comment, I'll take every word to heart. At this point, I have no clue where that came from.

 

i think the problem is that your posts are LOOOOOONG have have ZERO paragraph structure.

they're so hard to read that... well, we didn't bother reading them! you may have answered his question but in a slab of text that big it's easy to just miss the line entirely, or just give up and move to the next post.

AV8 is a guy that posts a LOT of good stuff, and while i don't know who he is i suspect he probably makes his money writing about hotrods somewhere, so it was a fair question on his behalf.

on your behalf, you're basically asking people to contribute to a site - for nothing - that will make you advertising dollars, and as a result you're expected to deal with them patiently... and you haven't. and yes, i know, you're providing a service we can all tap into blah blah blah but the fact remains that you're basically asking for help, and you haven't been very polite.

end result, AV8 pissed off, won't contribute anything, and many of us (ryan included) can understand why.

capiche?

(i'm not being nasty, by the way, i just thought it was obvious why you were copping flak, and evidently you're not seeing it, so i've made it clear as i can...)

 

Fair enougb. It was a complete paragraph, not a "line" I'm not trying to be*****ty to you, I'm trying to clear the air a bit and I apologize for the length of this reply. Thanks for pointing out what I can****ure you is mistaken thoughts. For the most part, anyway.

I have been polite to everyone except when the slams start. If I do come across otherwise, it is either misinterpretaion of my intentions, or I am addressing someone who I have spoken with enough that we can make jokes and know it will be taken lightly. Are you polite when someone you dont know and have no open communication with blasts you for reasons that you can make no sense of whatsover?

No paragraph structure? Uh...an indention of the first line is normally the beginning of a new paragraph, or at least that is the way it used to be taught. Ok, I'll not be lazy and hit the Enter key...

I replied in a loooong (have have) post instead of short broken ones to prevent making the thread huge with many little ones. If that is a problem, I apologize for having too much to say By the way, the little goony faces are an attempt to keep the conversation light. If I was intending to be mean or impolite, I can click this little feller As far as I know, thats the first time.

As for asking for "help"...not so. I wanted the input of HAMBers for the purpose of spreading the traditional message, what I thought this board was about. Maybe I was mistaken. There are other writers contributing articles, some that pertain to subjects that some of you won't like, such as billet cars. I truly wanted to see a lot of input from traditional rod and custom guys to keep the material balanced. Hell, I'd rather see the scales tip in the traditional favor. Evidently I was wrong too in****uming traditional fellas would want that. You want to let the billet cars and mini-trucks to overcome the traditionals in this form of media as well, be my guest. I'll keep doing what I can to add a bit here and a bit there of traditional. Maybe the reason they have been all but shut out from other media is because they wanna be...

I have always thought it would be great to have my interests and work published, and****umed (maybe incorrectly) that others on here would like the same. If I was wrong, ok. Just don't contribute anything. I dont mean that pissy either. Its not worth fussing over or eating up bandwidth. I asked for traditionally based input, not what I have ended up with.

HAMB drags and all the other activites held somewhere a thousand miles away dont particularly interest me, but you dont see posts from me slamming it in the threads pertaining to it. I just dont read what I am not interested in.

As for advertising dollars, light another one. I wish...
I get some free parts for the work I do on the articles that have my name attributed to them. Dude, thats where it stops. Ryan is making big money with all the HAMB members from some money fairy that visits every night, too .

As for av8, I havent the faintest who he is, and dont feel that I should required by him to know who he is unless he tells me. An oversized ego is usually evident in such****umptions. I'm not saying he has an inflated ego, so don't try and read into that statement something that wasnt said. I meet a lot of people who think I ahould know who they are because they are popular in their little circle. However, I usually****ociate that attitude with gold-chainers. Again, dont read anything into that other than what I am saying. It was him who began blasting me with accusations of laziness and some babble about unable to communicate, I defended myself.

Polite? As I said, it was av8 who started the impoliteness. Is it not evident that he should accept the fact that he was wrong in his statements, when he****umed that I was ignoring him? Is anyone blasting him? No, because it is quite evident that he is a buddy of Ryan's, and no one here is going to go that route for fear of being locked out.

Patience? You should be directing that statement toward av8. He flew off the handle, I tried my best to explain what and why, then I get an even nastier reply about doing my homework. His reputation may precede him somewhere, but not where I live. Not as "av8" anyway. Yes, he posts a lot of "good stuff" (I searched the last 3 weeks, doin my homework, ya know), but most of what I see are answers to questions or requests (not that this is a bad thing, in fact quite the opposite) that don't pertain to me and I havent followed those threads. Sorry, but I dont have any 4-2 SBC intakes to sell or have information on 8BAs. Good information offered by what I will not argue (nor ever stated otherwise) a very wise man, however it was not a subject I was interested in. He and I share many interests, but it is evident that we also have many interests which we do not have in common.

av8, (this is sincere) I apologize if you felt I was ignoring you. I apologize if you have introduced yourself to me in the past and I have forgotten who you are. I cannot apologize for not knowing who you are otherwise in real life though. I only know you as three characters on a computer screen. Up to this point, that is all you are to me. I know I am no more than a username to you as well and expect nothing from you except the same respect and digninty that I will gladly give you. Isn't it evident though that I am not a member of your following and****uming that "everyone" knows you is a bit ridiculous? I can't see why I would be expected to know anything about you, just as I wouldn't expect you to know anything about me or my background. I don't mean that in a pissy way, I do respect your knowledge and did not intentionally insult you. Well, ok, maybe I did. But only after you attempted to insult me Fair enough? Sorry man.
How about we both get the sand out of our pussies and be men instead of acting like little school boys? Can we have a civilized conversation without the insults? I'm game...theres no hard feelings here. Yes, you asked a fair question, but I did answer it.

And finally, to all HAMBers;
Several of you have offered to contribute material and it is much appreciated. If the feeling here is that I am making a fortune from this and you don't want to contribute, I totally understand and there will be no hard feelings on my part if you recant. For everone that thinks something is a good idea, there are always those who want to try and put it down. I'm just going to do what I set out to do, HAMB or no HAMB. I won't waste space on this board mentioning it again.
ray

 

Okay, I guess I should apologize as well for failing to realize, after almost a century of posts, that indented lines dont show up in the actual post. I'll try and do better. Really...I will.

 

You are missing out of a heck of a lot if you dont know who av8 is. He has written the best articles on traditional hot rodding from history to current day low tech. Vern Tardel has been the subject in some way or another of most of av8's writing and photography and the pair are a wonderful combination. They have passed the traditional torch to the younger generation and rekindled the hot rod embers of the older generation. Flick back to your original American Rodder Magazines when Joe Kress was still editor and see where av8 played an important role. Take a close look at "How to build a traditional Ford hot rod" and see the contribution av8 has made to traditional hot rodding. He writes clearly and in a way that makes you feel like you were there.

 

av8 and the Santa Rosa clan built the most wonderful little A-V8 roadster too!

 

1. you don't know who Mike Bishop is?!?!?!! What the hell is wrong with you?!?!!!



2. Good automotive journalists get PAID to write. Your gonna be doing A LOT of editing I'm afraid.

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Most vendors will donate the parts for a project IF (1)the parts are used in an article in such a way as to promote the product, and (2) you have a reputation for doing quality work. If you would like to contribute and be compensated, you might want to try that avenue. Many of the articles that I am right now adding to the site were done that way. That is how I got my rear suspension, firewall, and air springs, with many more items promised. That way, you get some good***** and readers get to see what you can do.

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3. This statement will keep me away from your site. You'll NEVER be able to give an unbiased and honest opinion on a vendor donated a part.

 

I'm going to add my modest two cents on this. I think the overall concept for a tech article website is a good idea. Some (but not all) of you may not realize that a site loaded with graphics and other material tends to eat up web hosting bandwidth, which translates into money. There is an ever-growing appetite for more hands-on articles or knowledge. Someone searching for a particular bit of tech info can try to find the exact issue addressed on a standard website, or they can pose their question on one of several auto related forums to solicit the answers from those who've been there/done that. Both avenues can be advantageous in their own way, but they both take time.

I am the webmaster for the FORD FLATHEAD V8 ENGINE website. I carry the cost of the site myself in order to make things work smoothly (no pop-ups, no registration, etc). If you are looking for more knowledge on flathead V8's it's a good place to start. However, it is not the "be-all" "do-all" resource for this subject. The ongoing 1939 Ford Coupe Project pages are visited by many, many people according to my site statistics. Again, this is not the only resource for restoration or hot-rodding of a '39 Ford. It does show that people are interested in seeing how things are done.

Unless you are Yahoo or Microsoft (or other big boy on the web) you have a difficult time finding the advertising support money to make these true "profit centers"; or even to carry their own weight for that matter. It will take a major investment in his personal time to organize and set up that Tech site, much less to keep it updated (and updating is nearly the most important aspect of web site success of all). My site is updated anywhere from once to 4 or 5 times each week.

As for the use of donated parts in the development of a tech article, my only suggestion is that the author indicates that he received donated pieces for the project. Any intelligent reader will realize that the article is written around its use and that other brands or styles could also be utilized for a similar project. You have to figure that a certain percentage of rodders will be using that very same brand, or perhaps making their own crafted (but copied) part to do the same job.

Finally, I want to say that I enjoy reading posts from this and several other old car related forums. Like anyone else, I skip over the****les that do not interest me. You or I can do the same with other websites....view 'em or forget 'em. Choices....choices.....choices.....it's the American way!

The Ford Flathead V8 Engine site

 

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I am the webmaster for the FORD FLATHEAD V8 ENGINE website. I carry the cost of the site myself in order to make things work smoothly (no pop-ups, no registration, etc). If you are looking for more knowledge on flathead V8's it's a good place to start.

My site is updated anywhere from once to 4 or 5 times each week.

The Ford Flathead V8 Engine site

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Fortyfordguy, My compliments on a very good site. Go there often.

 

Well... I'm not a professional writer and I wouldn't expect any payment (wouldn't turn down free stuff though) but I would still love to do some articles. As long as there are pictures of my work, and my name and contact info, I consider that free advertising for my shop (except for the time to take pictures and explain them.) I don't see how that can be bad. For every do-it-yourselfer there's another guy that wants to pay somebody else to do it. The more exposure the better, as far as I'm concerned.

 

Thanks Fatluckys. That is exactly why I am doing this.

As far as donated parts and "keeping away from the site", I can only say "ok, stay away". Again, a comment made on misunderstanding. If you read any magazine article, you are reading an article written around donated parts. My resquest to the HAMB had NOTHING to do with donated parts articles. THAT is what I am trying to get away from. I only suggested that to av8 if he was interested in compensation.

As far as who he is, still dont know the name. Maybe if I look through my American Rodders, I might see that name. I never saw anything there about someone named "av8". That is the point that I am trying to make, seemingly a point that I cannot get across. I am a long way (thankfully) from California. I am sure there are people here that he has never heard of as well. I'm through talking about av8. I have no hard feelings toward the man. If he wants to talk to me without making insults, I'm open to it and will do likewise. I'm not going to talk ABOUT him anymore though. Too much on this post has already been taken out of context and turned around where the original intent is totally gone from the picture.
Thats all I have to say about that

 

thanks to you fortyfordguy as well. You explained what I can't seem to. I really think the ones that are giving me a hard time arent going to care evan after it is explained, because I dont think their motivation is anything other than personal. Nevertheless, I sincerly do appreciate the explanation and I enjoy your site very much.

Donated parts are a fact of life in the business. I am making every attempt to change that to some degree. Articles that I am going to do using donated parts will also have an additional section on using junkyard parts to do the same thing with a price and time comparison. I did one about converting stock window regulators to power recently using late-model GM motors and parts, along with doing the same thing with Specialty Power Windows parts No paper mag would touch it, because it opened up an option to buying their advertiser's parts. I know the people at Specialty and respect them, and I know they had no problem with what I did. Reason being, doing the conversion took a few calculations and some work that a lot of people would not or could not do. Those people get a good article on installing the aftermarket parts (possibly becoming a customer), while others get some ideas about using cheap parts. Everyone gets something they can use.

Again, some care and some just want to gripe.
Thanks man
Thanks
Ray

 

Hi I am fully willing to let you have the use of my how to porting and polishing articles that I am doing for the HAMB. I have only posted the first in the series so far but there are more to come. You can do a search for the first one which was posted a couple weeks back and see if it is worthy. I have them available in PDF. Thanks Shawn

 

Ironhunter, you my friend are a complete and total****! You want people to send you tech articles and such and expect to give them NOTHING in return, I'd be willing to bet that the advertisers on your site aren't getting thier ads for free, so why in the hell would I give you ANYTHING for free? If you can explain this to me in a fashion that makes sense, I'd gladly accomodate you with some******in' low buck tech stuff, if you can't, then I won't.
Skip

PS- AV8 is Mike Bishop, truly one of the most talented and knowledgeable hot rodders, NOT 1-800-Build My Car street rodders on the planet, do some research dingledick

 

ok guys:

i will try to relate what i am thinking as clearly as i can.

i feel compelled to speak up on this subject on a number of points.

but first i want to put some context to my position.

i grew up in a small town in kansas, we had a blacksmith, we had a gunsmith/builder, shoe builder/repairman, appliance/tv/radio repair man, and countless other machinists and the like.. just as most other small towns of the era had.

the thing is all of these old guys are now dead!, gone are their shops, gone are their machines, gone is their knowledge.

what has replaced them? not a*****in thing, except for termites, mice, and walmarts.

the saddest thing is the loss of this knowledge, forever gone to us, and worst of all to the younger generation and the kids to come.

Those of us that can build hotrods, customs, etc, are no different than those old men of 40 years ago. We do things that many have not seen or heard of.

If you dont believe that just look at what the younger generation drives, ricers!! billet laden ricers!! store bought bolt on parts, no sense of any craftmanship on their own part. No sense of what they could do, because they havent seen it.

To me that is a*****ing crime, we short change ourselves and those that come after us.

Look back at the great ones, Smokie Yunick is just one example of the ones that came before us and left us with so rich of a history, and the blueprints that we follow in so many ways.

Von Dutch travelled the country, and put a striping brush in any kids hand that wanted to try it. Did he ask to be paid?

The question comes to mind what are we leaving, some are doing alot, some are doing*****. They are so in to themselves and their thing that they cant see the bigger picture.

Sometimes you just do it because it is right, doesnt make any difference if you get paid for it or not.

Now granted most of us will never be a Smokey, but most of us have at least one special talent. To share that talent only helps everyone, and the end result is a collective that is larger than the sum of its parts.

I guess i feel blessed in a way to have spent time with many of the old men of 40 years ago, and only wished i would have been older and would have understood the time that they were donating to me to show me how to do their craft. Not once asking me to pay them anything. That is giving of ones self, that is a true gift that can be passed down.

I fully understand that many of you will not agree with me or cannot relate to what i am about to say, but for what it is worth i will say it anyway.

Those that can, have a responcibility to pass on what they know. Sure it takes some time out of your busy lives. God knows i too run a business, have kids, and many other problems related to everyday life.

For what it is worth i have been a mechanic for nearly 30 years professionally and a few as a shade tree before that.
A post was up on this board not long ago asking what you bring to the hamb. It was a good question, many answered in thoughtful ways, some offhanded and some in comical response.
Perhaps more of us should take another look at that post and do a bit more deep thinking about it.

Bottom line is i think that the site in question should be greeted with open arms, sure it won't be perfect, nothing in life is. If anything good comes of it, then a greater good has been served. There are many good sites online with alot of good info, this being one. There are also alot of junk sites that really dont do much good for anyone. Perhaps with some postive attitudes and a little input from the guys that can and do on hamb the new site will be one that is a positive resource.

personally i think that when a person step up to the plate to try to add something such as what is proposed we should get behind it and stop thinking so much about "what the***** am i getting out of it"

i guess you only get out of something what you put into it.

add me to the list of those that can do a few things very well, and expect me to contribute as i can not expecting a damn thing for it. To me getting what i know how to do into someones hands that can use it or inspire someone to do for themselves is payment enough for me.

ok now, beat the***** out of me i dont really give a*****.

bob

 

just a footnote:

speaking for myself only, so if any of you think otherwise that is your purogative. If the shoe fits then wear it!

if i didnt pass on what i have learned from those that came before me, that was freely given to me by them, i would feel like a*****ing thief!

bob

 

When i joined i didn't know who vern tardel was, didn't know who mike bishop was, didn't know who jay carnine was.

I live in the NW the hot rod culture up here is removed in many way from california. It is the few that travel and the many that don't.

I know that ironhunter is in the magazine industry. But if you had asked me to remember any authors name forget it.

I probably couldn't remember your name if i met you(bad w/ names, Faces no prob)

Ironhunter (real name forgotten see above) you really need to sit down and think some more about how this is all going togeather. your idea is a good one but needs to be worked out a bit more. it has snags and needs them smoothed out to keep from them biting you later.

And remember never say that ads will not affect you... because you still gotta pay your bills.

AV8 - sorry for my imaturity in this car kulture but i am still learning.

lets not kill the idea but rather help it mature because we won't live forever and "WE MUST NOT LET TRADITION DIE"

Garth

 

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Ironhunter, you my friend are a complete and total****! I'd gladly accomodate you with some******in' low buck tech stuff, if you can't, then I won't.
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Then don't. Makes not one bit of difference to me. I've explained all I'm gonna explain...no*****. I'm through trying to talk to you immature boneheads. (i'm nto referring to the ones of you that are being a bit more mature in your conversation).
Ray

 

i don't get it ironhunter?

you claim to be very polite, to have the best of intentions etc etc, put in all these nice little happy smiley faces, and yet feel the need to put in cheap shots, like pointing out my accidental, and for the purposes of the argument, utterly irrelevant, double usage of the word "have". (to avoid any confusion, incidentally, that smiley face is meant to convey the message that i think you're being rather hypocritical...)

so, for your information, the following words in your reply posting were spelled incorrectly:

misinterpretaion
enouhb...

there you go, that's one more mistake than i made in my post, so i win.

mate, you can apologise all you like and try to justify what you've written, but from where i'm sitting i see a guy being a sarcastic***** behind his computer...

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Can we have a civilized conversation without the insults? I'm game...

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no, apparently, we can't...

 

And that is exactly what you want to see. I tried to give you guys the opportunity to be heard and all you do is***** on me. Fine if that is the way its going to be. Some of you just dont get it. Have have was a joke man, get the chip off your shoulder. Geez...wastin my time talkin to a box of rocks

 

Thanks Brutus. Again, you said it right. Exactly what I want to do and looking for a few others that want to do the same thing. I cant seem to do anything but piss'em off and be accused of being impolite. I make a joke and I'm an****. I'm impolite only when defending myself. Thats why I'm tired of foolin with'em. You're not gonna make'em understand, they aren't going to give it a rest. It's like talking to a fence post.

Anyway, the ones that have PM'ed me and want to be heard and the ones such as yourself who understand what is really going on are the ones I was interested i talking to. The rest are just typing to tire their fingers, wasting their time.
thanks man
Ray

 

shiva, thanks for your understanding as well. As I have told the ones that PM'ed me with offers for material, I am not the only one in this. In fact, my main part in this is setting up the site and maintaining it, and writing a few articles (for which I am not getting paid) along the way with the work I am doing (for which I am getting paid). No, there are no snags except the ones that have been created here. In fact, everything has gone smoothly until I opened the door for traditional input.

That was my suggestion to those who are in control, and I got the ok. Now, they are telling me that they saw this coming and I we should have just kept it closed to professional writers.

The fact that articles are not being paid for at this time is not my decision, yet I am getting all the***** over it. I dont know what is going to happen in the future, but right now it just aint going to happen. Again, not my decision or anything I can control. I thought I had a good idea. I thought if normal guys (like myself) had the opportunity to show their talents and work, they'd jump at the opportunity just as I did. I had many conversations with the chiefs and pleaded for this door to be opened to you guys. I told them that there are some very talented people here and some extremely talented writers. Now, I am being asked where all this talent is.

I have several that have offered to submit some very good material, and for that I thank you very much. Now at least it doesnt appear that I lied when I said there were some good fellas on this board. I just really thought there were more.
Thanks man
Ray

 

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Ironhunter, you my friend are a complete and total****! You want people to send you tech articles and such and expect to give them NOTHING in return, I'd be willing to bet that the advertisers on your site aren't getting thier ads for free, so why in the hell would I give you ANYTHING for free? If you can explain this to me in a fashion that makes sense, I'd gladly accomodate you with some******in' low buck tech stuff, if you can't, then I won't.
Skip

PS- AV8 is Mike Bishop, truly one of the most talented and knowledgeable hot rodders, NOT 1-800-Build My Car street rodders on the planet, do some research dingledick

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Hey, IRONPUSSY! DON'T quote me then edit it to suit your liking, the above quote is what I wrote, not your watered down version.

 

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Hey, IRONPUSSY! DON'T quote me then edit it to suit your liking, the above quote is what I wrote, not your watered down version.

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blah...blah...blah...
you are a real conversationalist, arent you? Did your momma never teach you that stuff like that just makes you look like a total******? How old are you anyway? I'm guessing about 12? Close???
Get a life man. You made me laugh, thats about all you accomplished.

 

I just clicked on the thread to see if there were any good ideas in 4 pages, and this is all there is? Next HAMB tech question that comes up (and they are getting rarer) you can all e mail your bid proposals to give the correct answer. If you think you shouldn't help anyone without payment, then don't. Just don't bore me with the details. I think it's a great idea, the HAMB without what's your favorite car, should I get a tatoo, and other drunken musings. And yes, there's room for more than one site.

 

Man, I hate this stuff.

Site with free info, COOL! That's what the internet's sposedta (case of the sposedta's) be about! I think the point is that your gonna have advertising to pay for the site. Isn't content part of the site? You are going to make money off the advertising, You keep avoiding that one, Yet you want free contributions and free parts... They want a piece of your pie.

Ryan, how much do you make off this site??? (rhetorical)

Personally I'd give you free submissions, but they'd be worthless...

 

Nobody is avoiding anything. I have answered that question and wont take the time to type it again. I make a living doing the work, not from the advertising or the site. I dont get paid for articles, neither will anyone else. There is no "pie".

Anyway, as of yesterday there will be no more articles taken at this time...that comes from the top. He said with the attitude I have gotten from this group, he's not interested anymore. What have been submitted to this point are much appreciated, will be used, and credit given in every way.

Thanks Shawn, I'll contact you.

Phil1934. I agree, but I dont think we'll see it in the near future;
the HAMB without what's your favorite car, should I get a tatoo, and other drunken musings.

 

brutus t maximus ...i agree with you completely.

ironhunter - was worth a shot, sharing info is a good idea.

 

plan9:

thank you


ironhunter:

for some of us on the hamb, i would ask to have the decision reconsidered. Please try to understand you will never get everyone together on this issue, and that is not whats important. What is important is that you do what you set out to do. It is a good idea, that needs to be done.

keep up the good fight

bob