Articles wanted for WebRodder.com, HAMBer input a must!

Hey ironhunter, donated parts aren't a fact of my life, I wish they were.

 

Hmmm, interesting.

1. You ask for something for free.

2. Some want to give it to you, some don't.

3. In a round about way, you***** on and badmouth the people who don't.

4. Then you don't take anything for free from anybody.

Damn, homie, looks like you shot yourself in the foot MULTIPLE times!

A person loses a MASSIVE amount of respect here slamming people the way you did. Please take time to consider your actions, and consider apologizing to the appropriate people, thru PM's or something.

And at the very least, for your own enrichment, take the time to learn who Mike Bishop (av8) is.

 

Hey Nads, maybe sometime we can change that. Hell, you didnt jump my case so maybe I can return the favor sometime in the future...

thanks Plan9, yeah, they can't say didnt try.

Brutus, it's not a decision I made. Like I said before, I'm not calling the shots. I got the door opened and the***** that followed got it closed. I don't know what is going to happen, but right now I'm keeping a low profile and doing my job putting it together. There is plenty material without HAMB input and nohing has changed with the site. The only thing I saw necessary about input from here was to get a traditional voice in the mix. I'll let things cool down a few days and see how things progress. I know the majority of this group understood I wasnt asking for anything, I was just passing on the opportunity I was given. He offered to let some fellas be heard, and I jumped at the opportunity and passed it along. I saw it as an opportunity that I'd never get with a paper mag, not a money-making venture. Too bad greed messes up so much.
thanks man
Ray

 

ironhunter:

well i would let it rest a while, and see how it developes. There are those that took exception to your presentation or the way you went about it.. hey you cant please everyone all the time.

Shit if you brought enough chocolate ice cream to feed the 3000 plus hambers here, there would be those that would sock you in the snout for not bringing strawberry as well..

i still think it is a good idea, perhaps some repackaging is in order tho'

bob

 

why dont the two of you go get a room?

post a link to AV8's book and let those jackoffs buy it and have all the tech they need. That's if he will let you.

move on boys, nothing to see here.

 

ahhhhh... "fuck you people"

hahahaahaaaa..... been dying to use that quote!!!

on a serious note, I do understand where this problem originated, and while I don't know AV8 personally or have not followed his career or read his book(s) I will take it on your word that he is the preeminent expert on flathead powered early fords.. I also understand that his original post was a fair question that was obviously over run.

my only point was that, hopefully some good could come from the new tech only site. Mainly because not all of us have, can afford or will likely ever have a flatty powered early ford.

I am not defending a person, but I am standing in defense of the idea.

perhaps I stand alone, wont be the first and likely wont be the last.

oh well!


bob

 

I just get the impression that Doc is "using" Ray for his own benefit.
All the work Ray did for him so he could get into the mags is now effectively wasted. Doc has NO contract for mag articles.
I can hear it now...
NO WAIT Ray...We'll make a website and put it all there! Now you can get the recognition YOU DESERVE Ray!
Oh yeah...Did you get my free galvanized floor finished Ray?
We need it for the website!!!
Oh brother....

I can see you getting burned Ironhunter.
I really hope I'm wrong for your sake.
BTW...
Please don't YELL at me for doubting...I have very fragile emotions!
Hahahah

Bill

 

wow... i knew there was a reason i didn't open this thread until today...

first class******** contest!
i think it should be re-titled "soapbox derby"

i particularly liked the part where ironhunter got pissed off like a kid in the park and "took his ball and went home".
well, according to him, i guess his big brother took the ball away, anyway-- who cares? i thought it a class act. Oh wait and then he calls other people immature, even better. i thought i read somewhere that HAMBer input was "a must", oh yeah that was in the****le of the thread... guess he meant something else when he typed "input".

and it is not at all his fault (except for the av8 part; that was his fault). i'm sure he had good intentions, but since seemingly nobody could be grown up about it (except for av8, who briefly stood up for himself and left the discussion) it became a massive******** contest... awesome.

i don't have anything constructive to add to this thread (SO THIS POST SHOULD FIT RIGHT IN ), i just wanted to add fuel to the fire... maybe then i can feel better about wasting my time reading it...

seriously brutus, what is up with the man crush?
peace out
now discuss amongst yourselves.

 

oh i almost forgot: sarcasm is mostly lost when things are written, so as a disclaimer please be advised my last post was dripping with it...

so, who has a new tattoo? i wanna see!

 

You guys should MAKE a BOARD called "MEN WITH*******S(tm): and then eat each other out and have**********...

SISSY LOLLIES

 

Alright. I've been reading this thread and watching how it develops. Ironhunter, you had a pretty good idea coming into this, but you went about it ALL WRONG!
You might have been having a bad day or something, but you kinda flew off the handle a little quicker than necessary. I can also see the concern about compensation. I would not expect to be compensated for any information I contributed, but to be honest, I'm sure someone will be making money off of that site. Why should they be paid for my information (by the advertisers), when I am not? See the point? Another thing that kinda bothers me, is manipulating and editing someones words, calling it a quote, and then getting pissed and calling names when you get caught. Maybe you were the one acting 12 in that particular instance...

As for the rest of you guys, would it have really been all that hard to say "No thanks, not for me." or not posted at all? Just seems like everyone around here's on they're*****ing <font color="red"> period </font> or something...

 

well, lemme see...first off, I'd just like to see this thread die simply to keep it from contributing to the large amount of space taken up by all the junk posts that waste reader's time.

But, some good points have been made;

Hot Rod to Hell Appreciate your more civilized form of criticism and I will try to address it in kind. Yes, I flew off the handle. Unprovoked? Not where I was standing. It was in defense of the unnecessary and untrue accusations made against me. All the man had to do was read the post where I had answered his question. That was all I asked. I dont have to take that kind of ridiculous criticism, and I wont. I didnt want to get in a******** contest, I really like these guys on this board! Even the ones I have argued with. Hell, we all have opinions. They voiced theirs and I voice mine right back. Deal with me in a polite way and I'll deal with you in kind. Call me names and it's going to come back at ya. I still dont "dislike" any of them. I even like av8! He made an honest mistake by overlooking the answer in a paragraph stuck in a long and rambling post. I wont deny that and I can see where I might have done the same thing. I honestly though that indenting a line showed up in the post, but it doesnt. My mistake, and I take credit for it. I don't think I just "flew of the handle" without just cause.

Changing words and calling it a quote? Not really...I paraphrased a quote, taking the first line of the post and the last line in order to shorten it. It was not manipulated. I added nothing to what he said. Removing the pointless lines from the middle did nothing to change his intentions.

The name calling did not start with me. Read the posts in the order they were posted, and I think you'll see that once again I was intentionally provoked. C'mon...Ironpussy isnt just a bit childish? Arent we beyond that? I didnt take offence to it, I thought it was hilarious that a grown man has to resort to that in order to somehow try and belittle me. Didnt work.

Yes, it was expected that some would just say "no, not interested". That would have been so much easier on everyone, especially the ones that wanted to contribute something. Criticisms, name calling, and accusations of laziness though? C'mon, I expected more from grown men.
Thanks for your comments!


Germ I think you got it right

warpigg dont really understtand what you are trying to say, so I'll leave it alone Well, except the av8 part. Seems you (and some more) want to stand up for him, when if you will read the posts in order, you'll see that my impoliteness came AFTER he posted his garbage. I dont know whether it is an attempt to gain points with someone or what, I really havent figured that one out yet. To have been my fault, I would have to know in advance what he was going to say in the post, and I would have posted some*****tiness directed at him BEFORE he posted his. Didnt happen that way, my friend. Hey, I'm fine with it anyway. He'll get over it as I have. If not, I dont believe mt life will be any different one way or the other. Rather be his friend than his enemy though, as with every other member. Yes, sarcasm is lost in written words, along with anything else that would make a real conversation. Text is no way to have a discussion once it has gotten heated. We read what we want it to say at that point, regardless of the true intentions behind it. Thanks for your comments.

HackerBIll I wont yell because you didnt call me lazy! You know, I dont know what will happen. However, the pretty shiny galvanized floor and all the stuff I did to that Dodge was paid for by him. The articles were just perks. I'm getting paid very well for the work I am doing on his 48 Ford too. I'm comfortable with our arrangement for now. I dont do the work on cars for free though. I'll gladly share the info regarding how I did it, but not the actual work. We share such things on here all the time, therefore I thought it was a good idea to compile a lot of that information in articles for the site. I'm getting paid to put the site together, but not for the articles I contribute. Some may see it differently, but I dont see where it hurts me to take a few pictures and sit down with the laptop watching TV with the famlily and type up a story. That part I enjoy doing for nothing. He's a good guy just trying to do something constructive. Sure, he is going to make money from the site and understandably. He owns the 350+ articles that the site is built around. He doesnt "need" other input, but opened up the opportunity for wannabe writers to be heard. He said he knows how hard it is to break into the business and is glad to give a talented writer the space he deserves. His hope is that maybe some will be noticed and have opportunites (finacial) presented them that otherwise would never happen. He wanted amateur work, not professional. The mags are full of that already. My work with him has already landed me two really good projects, along with the task (paid) of building a website for Tanks, Inc. I have gained from working with him and just being****ociated with him. He, on the other hand, has gotten some work done that up until now he was unable to find anyone that could (or would) do it right. Knowing (and having your name****ociated with) the right people makes a lot of difference. Again, I thought (thought) it was a good idea to get some HAMBers in on it. Thanks Bill!

low and loud I'd be happy to not only post a link, but put a page on the site with information about his book. There are many books that are going up on the site, including Doc's Nailhead and Cadillac engine books. I would be thrilled to see a traditional book in the list. Problem is (now that I know who "av8" is) I tried to get a book some 10 months back and he never answered my reply. I dont recall calling him lazy though, I just****umed he didnt have time to sell me one. Maybe he answered me and I just didnt take the time to read it? thanks man

Fellers, thanks for your input, both positive and negative, support, name-calling, and everything else. If everyone that has called or PM'ed me would have posted, you'd see the supporters and contributers far outweigh the naysayers and name-callers. I know that a lot more of you would be a little bit more understanding if you knew everything that is involved, but a lot of it I am not at liberty to share right now. I'm not a businessman and dont want to give that impression. I'm a car guy with a shop beside my house and I struggle to get my projects going just like most of you. I dont like to fuss and argue, and I dont like making enemies when it's just as easy to make friends. I like talking with you guys about hot rods and customs, otherwise I wouldnt be a member of this group. Oh yeah...av8! If you are following this thread, I'd still buy a book That way I can scan every page and--- I'm jokin!

 

OK! Missed the part were you said you were getting paid for the work. Had me a little worried about your situation.
I WILL check out your site once its up and running...

I wouldn't rule out outside involvement in the site already....give it a chance! People are gonna want to see whats up BEFORE they make a firm decision.
Tell the Doc to simmer down...things WILL be cool IF its a good site!

Catch ya later!
Have a good one Ray...

Bill

 

I haven't been following this thread but I have a persistent pal who has encouraged me to look in on it to see where it's gone -- which is nowhere.

Before I get into what I want to say about all this, I want to first address a lie that I was contacted "some 10 months back" about a book and never answered. That's pure*********, but how would anyone know otherwise if I did not respond?

I see that recently my post about the ironhunter's laziness of communication has now been elevated to "garbage." Ya gotta love that kind of jump.

I stand by my reference to your laziness in communication; it's incumbent on the communicator, not the audience, to be clear and concise. It's not my responsibility to wade through dense, unbroken, loosely structured copy to find answers and direction. The irony of my calling you lazy for not doing a better job of your end of the communication bargain is that you feel vindicated because I didn't dig through your word Dumpster to find the treasures! That has provided me with one of the best chuckles I've had this week, and I thank you for that.

But let's put all that***** aside because it has nothing to do with anyone other than you and me and how we interact with one another. My quarrel with you posting a solicitation for free features and how-to articles for a sponsor-supported site was that you did it on an unsponsored site, one that's a labor of love by a man who has created and nurtured the very finest site committed to traditional hot rods and customs.

At first I was surprised that you would do what you did, considering the number of posts you've made on the HAMB. But maybe you don't get it, maybe you don't understand what boards like this are about -- pals getting together to share ideas, ask and answer questions, and hang out at times in a place where no one is making a buck off their presence, and in fact might even have to spend a bit to have them here.

What you've been doing here is called "poaching" where I come from. Some might take it a step farther and label it rustling. The sad thing to see here is that you've lured some HAMBers who will willingly provide you with words and pictures about their work rather than post and share them on this board where they hang out -- at no charge to anyone other than Ryan, if I may bring that up again.

Although paid-for technical and scientific communication and journalism are the means with which I've supported myself since the late '50s, I will continue to contribute to sites like the HAMB at no charge and with great enthusiasm and enrgy because that's the way it works for hot rodders, ironhunter.

 

av8,

As per your writing style that I follow, you could not have written that last reply any better. I think you have summed up why we are here and what has happened in this thread.

Can we all get back to talking about cars now?

 

good one mike... got it in one...

 

nevermind...it's apparent from your continued hostilities we'll never see eye to eye.
ray

 

I tried to wade through this, and I don't get it. Iron is talking about a simple site full of tech. I would never have even thought about compensation, yet a bunch of people jumped in asking how much? Some of us grew up in families where you go to full serve to get the oil checked, didn't go to tech school, and don't know everything there is to know about cars, so we crave pics and how to's. Sure, the mags do how to's on installing the lastest $1,200 chunk of billet, but the net is some people's only choice to learn some skills that may be all but lost in some areas. I really don't have anything to contribute, Iron, but if and when I do, I'll send everything I can, expecting nothing in return (unless you make some decals for the site ). Maybe we could also send you any other sites that have good howto's, then you could, in the directory of articles have links also (like under sectioning you might have a couple people's contributions but also links to other's sites with maybe a different way to do it?) Just an idea. The only thing that pisses me off is the link to your site DOESN"T WORK!! .

 

Thanks James, I appreciate your seeing where this was intended to go, instead of forming your own false opinion of my intentions. You heard exactly what was said.
thanks again
Ray

 

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nevermind...it's apparent from your continued hostilities we'll never see eye to eye.
ray

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Ray, I don't think you understand what Mike (av8) is trying to TELL you. I haven't read any "hostile" comments from him yet.

He has been VERY patient in his response(s).

I see this whole "mess" has come about because of "frayed" nerves and "shooting from the hip."

Each person has made good/bad comments, depending on where they stand.

The BIG problem of all of this is; IF we were ALL in one room, face to face, a lot of the "name calling" would never have happened. Communication by way of the "written" word is difficult; and some of us don't write well.

 

You want intelligent conversation?
Maybe you should take that "KNOW IT ALL STICK" out of your****!!

Will your TECH SITE, will be a mere STEPPING STONE to allow you to GET FREE PRODUCT from your advertisers for your "STREET RODS"???? or hot rods, or air streams, or whatever else...

Sounds like what MOST MAGAZINE****s DREAM of?

Sounds like your PLAYING that "I'm a good big brother role"
and in the end it looks like you will GAIN something from others DONATIONS?
What do we get out of it???

OH YEAH "TECH"..

Not sure what your GOALS are, But You just seem to be LOOKING for donations which you will eventually profit from...????
or is that NOT the CASE???

Makes sense to me....

The PROBLEM is YOUR MOTIVES are all WRONG, your FUNCTION is all WRONG, the WAY you PRESENT YOURSELF is WRONG. and your PLAN sounds like it holds no HONEST MERIT....
And the way you speak to people who QUESTION YOU, makes me think your a*********.....

BAck to the
USUAL
"MUSINGS OF A TEENAGE HEART THROB"(tm)

DRUNK PROSE
and
HELLFIRE





germ

 

Why the hell does he have to have a profit motive? Did everyone hassle Ryan about motive when he started the HAMB? I've got articles saved from all over the net and it'd be great to find a bunch compiled in one place. True, he could probably find a way around the sponsors, but I'm sure Ryan would attest to what a pain it is to finance something like that. I'm just looking forward to a bigger version of the HAMB tech board, and if there are a few ads, so be it. (just no pop ups, or we'll have to hunt you down!)

 

We don't need a BIGGER version...of "HAMB"

we cover the TECH here we need to cover,, you need more,, maybe you should go somewhere else...

 

Hmm, I spend all weekend at an air show and I come back here to get my feet on the ground and all I read are air head comments that I would expect from SRS and Mustang sites.

Let the thread die. If Ray has a viable idea and it solidifys then it is time to revisit. For now just all of you cool it.

BTW, Ive been to Rays house and he aint no billet boy, you can quote me on that.

 

Germ is my hero!
Germ have ya thought about running against Arnold?

 

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Why the hell does he have to have a profit motive? Did everyone hassle Ryan about motive when he started the HAMB?

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no. because people hassled Ryan until he finally gave in and started a message board... you should ask him sometime why it is called the "Hokey**** Message Board"...

 

A mag guy who didn't know who Mike Bishop is???
Then you probley don't know who I am either, huh?

 

i know, it's almost hubris

 

Usually when I read a BUSINESS PLAN at WORK, I read FOR MOTIVE, and PURPOSE......

To be really educated and HONEST..

you just CAME off wrong with what you proposed..
And your IDEA, read to me like someone who is trying to START a MAGAZINE..

Most magazine FOLKS have their HEADS up their OWN****, when they cant FIND someone HIP to HAVE their HEAD up his****.......
They are MOTIVATED by the SELLING ISSUE...

WE HERE ARE NOT........

What you proposed is not
a major Loss...

But I think the IDEA is we are here for WHAT CATERS to us and our BUILDING needs..

ANd our function here is BASED on the DO IT YOURSELF method..
Meaning,, we as a board don't need advertisers or BIASED interests based on WHO is FUNDING the MONEY...
Or FREE PARTS to BRIBE us into DROPPING product NAME...

WE DON'T HAVE to SWALLOW the MEAT POLE that you MAG guys have to....

Go to a STREETROD site. and FIND out HOW CONTROLLED and GENERALLY BORING them DUMB********S really ARE......

We don't want OUR board to READ like the MAGAZINES, and BECOME POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, based on WHO SPENDS the MOST, to KEEP US up and RUNNING.......

We asked RYAN years ago, for TECH OMATIC,,,
and we ASK RYAN to INCLUDE things we FEEL are very important to us KNOWLEDGE WISE.
The TECH that comes HERE is for "US" that is why we as a collective group of LOSERS are here...

WE SHARE. WE HAVE our OWN ARCHIVES, FOR us...

WHat the HELL ELSE do WE NEED?????
and HOW is what your DOING anything different then OUR TECH O MATIC?????????

Can you EXPLAIN that? This seems INTELLIGENT enough???

I need to go smoke some weed, i think I'm going crazy..

 

God bless Germ.

Amen

Spike