Aussies - SR Plates...your thoughts?

This discussion just shows how frustrated we are in OZ when rego issues come up.

Almost makes you want to go out and get some ******** wagon, and a big boom box!!! At least they are accepted by the feds!!!!

Nah!!! on second thoughts I'll keep my hot rod!

Death to bling

 

Can you do that????!!!!!

 

there is only one person to blame ,in this world nobody wants to take responsability for their own actions and engineers are staring to do this as well so what im saying is push for what you want and dont take no for an answer because if they want engineers reports for what you are wanting to do with your vehicle,they are required to give you a report detailing why your car does not conform in their opinion of what is acceptable ,i didnt dissmis the drunk driving deaths i was just relating how statistic can be manipulated to serve either a positive or negative with the same stats,most rodding accidents are minor and are sorted out on the road side with the help of fellow members so are never really reported and relatively minor ,ive been on plenty of runs where small things have happened,that could have turned major with more traffic around ,whatever is written or set in stone guidlines they will still be interpreted differently by different people as the english language is one of the most complecated in the world and double meanings and ambiguities exist in so many legal do***ents its not funny my fear is a blanket scheme will limit you .and whatever side you r on it will hurt some and help others ,i think the ones it helps will be mr shortcut and the rest will suffer by over governing of the hobbie,my cars were not lucky to get through they were built right the first time with approval from the start,if you submit plans detailed enough you can get pre approval and if someone changes their mind they must prove your plans wrong and incur any financial debts involved in debunking your approved plans something very few rego departments will do,
If your arguing in advance to know what you can build submit plans !choose your engineer and submit plans to him then submit to the relevant authourities before you spend a cent of that 20g and your point about those that have been ****ed around
outweighing those that havnt is laughable ,why are there so many cars at the nationals with full rego ,most on sr are buckets and others with little or no safety equipment bar lap belts and disk brakes ,and the bucketeers are used to it ,
the 4 bar versus 7 airbag volvo is just stupid they are nothing at all to do with each other ,i dont know why you included that one its usless in getting a point accross ,all im trying to say is take responsability for what you aRE BUILDING DONT BLAME AN ENGINEER WHEN HE KNOCKS YOU BACK ,ITS A BIT LIKE SCHOOL IF YOU DONT DO YOUR HOMEWORK YOU WILL GET IN THE **** ,with no-one else to blame there but yourself .SUBMIT PLANS!!!!!
BEFOR YOU START!!!!!!!!! AND ASK FOR ANY KNOCK BACKS IN WRITING SIGNED BY THE PERSON DRAFTING THE REPLY INCLUDING THEIR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTERS,ARCHIVE ALL CORRESPONDANCE WITH ENGINEERS,ASK FOR A REFERENCE NUMBER WITH ANY CALLS MADE TO RTAS ETC ARMED WITH A MOUNTAIN OF PAPERWORK WILL USUALLY HELP PUSH YOUR CAUSE ,sorry fogot caps lock was on too busy rantin!)
look dont bag me for not knowing what goes on in your state apples and bananas etc as you dont know what goes on here but we must have it better than you because your not here fighting the powers that be like you are (cop out)dont ***ume we all get it easy just ****n pushem and pushem i dont want unifority because all of our vehicles are different and should be ***essed that way(unless its gl*** then itll just be deuce custom 32 on a repro 32 frame 350/350 9")ha ha that get em fumin

 

"Safe".....is there a more subjective word when it comes to old cars?

Even collapsible columns aren't "safe" to engineers designing cars of the future.

Remember when convertibles looked like never being built again? Are they "safe" or "unsafe".

Where is the line drawn? And who draws it?

 

Guys.

Perhaps this thread should be closed!

no matter how much we go over this subject, or how much name calling, mud slinging there is, and general BSing goes on, we are never going to agree on these matters.

Why don't we call it a day, and us Victorians just sit back and wait for the forthcoming meeting about the "90 Day Permits" with the RTA to take place, and then MAYBE we will get a formal do***ent, that will end these issues for-ever???

Don't forget we are involved in an egotistical self-centred "Hobby", one in which its very easy to take offence at others comments, even when they are made in good faith, and aimed at helping others.

Nuff Said

 

Hey rat ive been taken outa context a bit here and it is MY fault i didnt mean all cars are unsafe with hairpins etc but i believe thereis a good reason to build your car as safe as is possible and that is that itll be our ***es driving em ,i dont care too much for state governments ideas on safety i just care about my families ,i think your post is the most realistic out of all in this thread mine included well said!!!!!but if you arm yourself with paperwork overload it is about the only thing these pinheads in gov take notice of it will help push a point ....good luck

 

**** no. Don't close it. This is the first time a thread I started has gone over 2 pages. I'm feeling kind of special...maybe famous.

Of course a lot of that is thanks to Jim for pushing "submit reply" before he's finished typing and so repeating his previously submitted messages

Think there might be some truth in the fact that we are dealing with very different experiences with different state govts and bureaucrats.

Frank and Mark. I haven't forgotten about phoning you guys about this. Just been busy. Annual leave as of 6pm tonight. Might call next week

Pete

Edit: Jim, for the record I get to see some carnage too. Usually late model stuff going too fast.

 

thanks striper im not really as big a **** head as i seem but none the less i am a bit of one!!! i just get so p***ionate about rodding (like every one on this board)and too excited when people rev me up ,cant wait to reply lol!!!!

 

Ok, I'm gonna put my 2 bob worth in here.
I will start by making one point, Hillbillyjim never put the 'poor people they clean up accidents' ******** in an argument. I was one of those people and I really don't give a rats **** what people do to themselves and others, neither did those I worked with.
I worked in aeromedical retrieval after doing normal paramedical work. I served for 10 years in the Army, 6 of those in SASR as a medic so I have seen much worse than 99% of people will ever see.
SR is very likely to take over from full rego here in vic. I have known Con since I was a little tacker and know thats where his little power trip is going.
Its a BAD system governed by egomaniacal idiots. We would be better served to be rid of it completely, safety is not an issue with this scheme. Example, the split bones and hairpins OK on SR but not for full rego (WTF?) The only plus for this scheme is cost of rego.
My plan for rego on my car is to finish it, move out of this ****hole state to somewhere better.

Also the argument between original and repo ch***is?? Boxing a repo ch***is results in a more rigid rail than an original. Steel technology has come a long way since the 20s and 30s. The impurity count in old steel is much higher, 'new' steel results in a safer rail that is less likely to fail.

 

Jim, Thanx for your comments. Everyone has their own opinions and that's OK, as well as having different abilities and chequebooks.

I respect yours just as much as I expect mine to be repected as well, although I dont always expect that everyone will agree with them.

I think that as Stovebolt said, we all are involved in a hoby that DOES involve egos as does drag racing for example.

But as far as regs go, its like anything else where the Feds are concerned, if there are $$ in it, they'll get involved, pure and simple. As far as " goes, safety "I'm with Danny on this b/c IF someones ride is deemed safe enough to drive on public roads on a Club Permit/SR Plates, then it should be deemed safe enough to drive on public roads on FULL rego PERIOD. LOGIC has nothing to do with it, its about the coffers or legal resposnibility somewhere along the line.

Take note our US Brothers - this is the kinda **** we have to go thru Down Under to have our rides on the road.

Bottom line? Stateside its a RIGHT to drive a neat hot rod or old car, Down Under? Its a privelege.

Think about that guys, next time ya'all hop into your primered, no floored, cheater slicked, zoomie headed, missing fenders, 125db, 1000HP (wtf?) ride you call "street cars" over there....spare a thought for your Aussie brothers for all the **** they have to go thru....just to get a hot rod on the road....

Rat

Rat

 

I'd rather drive down the freeway at 150kph than do 60kph in Psychobilly boi's Toyota wagon....be a lot safer.

Jim, Don't slag off people's dedication to getting their rods registered or their building abilities without knowing them. Some of the melbourne boys here are unbelievably talanted builders who build awesome 'over engineered' stuff and PUSH hard all the time to get their rides registered....shame they often seem to be fighting an unwinnable war.

I'd also say most "registered" cars at the shows have gone through some kind of 'dodgy' process to get there....like 32 hiboy roadsters registered as stock 32 sedans etc...it goes on a lot.

Safe is all that should matter.

Maiki

 

I think the new HOON Laws have pretty much outlawed boom boxes as well.

Welcome to Victoria the Police state.

 

I'm with Rat and Danny on this.
Some of my mates have cars on SR plates and attend events almost every weekend of the rod run season.
These cars are inspected by Con and only have to p*** a basic brake test and a noise test, yet are able to drive side by side with a fully engineered full rego rod that is not allowed to be built on new rails or have hairpins etc.
Surely the only difference between cars on SR plates and full rego should be the cost of the rego not what each scheme allows.

Binga

 

not sure if you know maiki, but you cant get your roadster rego'd as one, as ****roads computer will only cl***ify is as a sedan, even most coupes will be cl***ified as sedans. great if you want to do a body swap I guess.

least thats what the girl told me when I told her mine was a roadster, she said sedan, I said no...

 

ike I said....**** ROADS....or should the be, QUADRUPLE DIP ROADS !! HAHAHA !!!

Oh well its election time next month.....who we gonna vote for boys and what are the silvertails goona do FOR US !!!

Id REALLY love to know !!

Rat

 

.....Can opener ....anyone?

 

Mr hillbilly jim,

you win the computer special olympics!

yay!

Dont call me a ****wit please.its rude.

I cant be ****d even to replying to all that guff.

go out to the shed and build something .****.

 

Yeah? wow.

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Typical.

 

how is it that doc watson has so simply put into words what i was tryin to rant in my posts and make it so clear and simple to understand ,pure genius!!!

 

Hate to keep this **** going on forever but I just realised that Jim and Psycho are arguing the same side, I think. Get rid of the inconsistencies, including SR, and have a sensible system under which we can build and fully register our cars.

I know Jim will argue that the engineering system is OK, but by his own admission, 3 engineers give 3 interpretations.

Can't see why we couldn't work under a set of guidelines like the DOTARS ones and, like the building code, if you want to stray from it you just have to prove comparable performance. By that I mean, you build it to the guidelines and take it and get it registered or if you choose to go a bit radical in an area, you have an engineer certify that that area meets the performance criteria and intention of the given section of the guidelines that you have strayed from. Works in plenty of other industries.

 

Hi Guys,

Lots of opinions, lots of p***ion, which is a good thing, keeps the hobby from becomming stale.

Danny

 

Yeah ...what he said!!!!

 

So who's winning the ******* contest boys?

Jim it shouldn't matter what the cars made of or how many you have built. The p***ion is still the same whether you ever only build one or twenty, some like the build others enjoy the drive.

But I digress, what we really need is a defintive set of guidelines for the engineers to follow, hopefully alieviating some liabilty off them. The less they have to leave to their own interptretation the better. Anything then out of the norm can still get approved, provided its safe and well built, after all we aren't going to under engineer anything when it comes to our own safety.

 

i wasnt showing off i had just been told to"get back in the shed ****" a reference that i think he meant i dont build em i just ******** so I just told in reply that i had been in the shed for the last22 years and recently divorced for spending too much time in there,but i suppose its ok for you to have an opinion but not me,so if there is any thing else you want me to do for you and your kronies just let me know ,and ill bend over for you and do as im told as that seems the only way you dont cop **** in this site ,you get asked for an opinions (which most people feel strongly about their own)and when you post it you are ruled "****"I will re register this name for the HAMB so you all know who i am and can shoot me down before i start ,thank you for your reply it was very helpful in negotiating the minefield of full registration ,i hope to read many more of your informative and interesting posts in the future.PLEASE ADDRESS ANY FURTHER CORRESPONDACE OR PMs to ****1948

 

Aw, don't beat yourself up like that Jim. There's plenty of guys on here happy to do that for you! I've been enjoying this. It's probably about out of legs now. It has just become personal. It has been interesting though.

Pete

 

cant be bothered replying? what was that? i think you just did

 

yes im opinionated and loud but i dont think the beat me up reference was needed ,ive not threatened violence on anyone,but if you wish to please go ahead pm me and ill give my contact details and who ever wants to step up CAN,
THAT REFERENCE WAS NOT NEEDED JUST DIAL 1800NOISY ****

 

I seem to remeber you telling some US hambers that at least we have engineer and roadworthy checks over here and that you dont want to share the road with their style of unengineered unsafe vehicles my what a roll over rover,but if some one says that here he gets a bagging and told the opposite mmmmm

 

Didn't say you were showing off. My remark was a general comment to all above seeing as it was becoming a ******* contest.

I said my piece early on in this thread and the "other useful" info I have I can't really post on here as a) I was told by a mate what was going on who is very close to all this **** currently in Vic and b) I don't wont to be responsible for starting rumours of things that may or may not eventuate.

For the record I couldn't give a rats **** how many cars anyone owns, builds, buys, whether its gl*** or steel. So don't take it the wrong way I believe you have some really good points and your'e p***ionate (maybe a little too p***ionate) but hey thats a good thing after all its about the cars and not this better than others mentallity......

I'll state again we need a definitive set of guidelines......

 

thanx duly noted