History Auto racing 1894-1942

http://www.historicracing.com/driversBorn.cfm?fullText=5347&decyear=1870&born_year=1879

"After racing, Charles and Ferdinand went into a Taxi company at Paris, using one of the Montier Specials in city trim until WW2."

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http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/60636.html



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http://tricyclecaristes.forumr.net/t365-ford-montier-special













http://tricyclecaristes.forumr.net/t365-ford-montier-special

 

... any idea HOW much taller (alright Mr. Carson, just how tall IS it)???

 

".......Ford T par Charles Montier a été terminée 14ème aux 24h du Mans en 1923."

http://videos.sportauto.fr/video/iLyROoaf8uy6.html

 

http://www.rmc-cars.fr/load.php?lng=Fr&modele=1923 Ford-Montier Special

 

aww comparer le bébé

 

Amazing .
Here : http://www.ford-t.fr/articles.php?lng=fr&pg=282 , they say he designed a engine head , and used brakes from Perrot ( http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Perrot ) .
This was between 1921 and 1923 . So there are chances it was a Ford T engine
Don t know this guy , but I don t have any problem reading french , so if this can help ...

 

A few stutz photos from news clippings.

Lockhart at 181 miles per hour.

Vintageride

 

nali,

Does it specifically say Montier used brakes supplied by Perrot or did he use brakes designed after his patents?

 

It s not 100 % clear in the text ... I understand the brakes were designed after Perrot patents . I ll read some other information ASAP .

 

This photo, but a very strange (???) site

http://press.algarvecentral.net/?attachment_id=4725

 

A photo of Perrot, while with Argyll



http://www.enginehistory.org/pioneering_sleeve_valve.htm

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"In 1924, after meeting French engineer Henri Perrot at a European auto show, Bendix acquired the license to Perrot's shoe-brake patents."

http://www.bendixbrakes.com/company/

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"Bendix was founded in 1924 in South Bend, Indiana, United States, by the inventor Vincent Bendix. At first it manufactured brake systems for cars and trucks, supplying General Motors and other automobile manufacturers with hydraulic brake systems and a vacuum booster TreadleVac for its production lines for decades. In 1924 Vincent Bendix had acquired the rights to Frenchman Henri Perrot's patents for drum and shoe design.<SUP id=ref_anone class=reference>[a]</SUP><SUP id=cite_ref-Bendix_0-0 class=reference>[1"</SUP>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bendix_Corporation

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"King of Stop

The years following the success of the starter drive were difficult for Bendix. He bought the Winkler-Grimm Wagon Company in South Bend, Indiana, planning to produce fire engines, but his plans were bungled when a big bid fell through and he had to sell the plant. A year later, he divorced his first wife. Then, in 1922, Bendix's father was killed when a car with unreliable brakes hit him on a Chicago street corner. "The accident caused Bendix to focus on the inadequacy of automobile brakes, and he vowed to devise a better braking system," wrote Rebecca Wolfe in the St. Joseph Valley Record. That same year, Bendix married Elizabeth Channon of Chicago. They were divorced ten years later and he reportedly had to pay her $2 million as a settlement.
In 1923, Bendix began to turn personal tragedy into another automotive innovation. He bought the shoe brake patents of French engineer Henri Perrot and took over Perrot's contract with General Motors. Thus Bendix Engineering Works introduced the first four-wheel brake system, which promised to provide cars with a reliable way to stop."

http://biography.yourdictionary.com/vincent-bendix

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http://www.scripophily.net/benavcor.html

"The company's founder, Vincent Bendix, himself an inventor, joined with French inventor Henri Perrot to manufacture brake systems in South Bend, Ind., in 1924; and by 1928 the Bendix Corporation was producing 3,600,000 brakes per year, chiefly for General Motors Corporation."

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_(car)

".......... Four-wheel brakes designed by J.M. Rubury of Argyll<SUP id=cite_ref-TandT_0-0 class=reference>[1]</SUP> and patented on 18 March 1910 by Henri Perrot and John Meredith Rubury (Patent number 6807) <SUP id=cite_ref-1 class=reference>[2]</SUP> were available from 1911 on, and in 1912 the single Sleeve valve engine designed by company director Baillie P. Burt and J. P. McCollum began production; the entire range featured Burt-McCollum engines by 1914."

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Google assist

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=5jNS4NubpR4C&pg=PA233&lpg=PA233&dq=perrot+shoe+brake+system&source=bl&ots=JB0unendXz&sig=LgD3_1gB9iQGgdhggZKCPMVwmjQ&hl=en&ei=BP4aTeiANMTJccq5pNUK&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CDUQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=perrot%20shoe%20brake%20system&f=false

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http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Perrot

"Années en France[modifier]
À sa sortie d'école, en 1902, il rentre chez Brasier et participe à la conception de la voiture qui remportera en 1904 et 1905, la coupe automobile Gordon Bennett. La voiture est conduite par Léon Théry. À cette occasion, Henri Perrot reçoit la Grande Médaille de Bronze de la Chambre Syndicale de l'Automobile, "en récompense pour le service que vous avez rendu à l'Industrie Française de l'Automobile, en contribuant dans une large mesure à la construction de la voiture qui nous a conservé la coupe automobile Gordon Bennett."
Années en Écosse et en Angleterre[modifier]

En 1908, Henri Perrot quitte Brasier pour rentrer cher Argyll à Alexandria en Écosse. Il dépose là son premier brevet concernant le freinage des roues avant (brevet anglais 6807 du 18-03-1910 Henri Perrot et Rubury).
Au salon Olympia de Londres (Olympia Hall) en novembre 1910, une 12 CV Argyll avec commande des freins avant par pédale et commande des freins arrière par levier est exposée.
Au même salon, en mars 1912, Argyll présente une voiture de 15 CV, dont les freins sur les quatre roues sont commandés simultanément par pédale ou par levier au choix du conducteur. Ce système fut ensuite breveté aux Etats-Unis le 21 octobre 1913."

Perrot and "his" brake system installed on Argyll cars.

 

That's a nice BIG engine to start the year off MrFire. Any idea if the company won the competition or if they secured a contract with this design?

I wouldn't go to this link. Very strange indeed.

 

Mauri Rose in the Burd Piston Ring Spl. at the 1936 Vanderbilt Cup.

Is this the same car Floyd Roberts drove at the 1939 Indy 500 and lost his life in?

 

Happy New Year! Got a new camera this my first try at loading an internet photo.

 

That was easy, just have to learn how to take clear photos.

 

Happy New Year to you Bob. I'm glad you finally got a new camera.

More info required about that photo though.

 

Photo was taken at the Batavia, N.Y. track, around 1925, looks like a Duesenberg walking beam engine powered it. Here is a rear view, hope to improve my photo taking.

 

Neat photos Bob...... Glad your set up now......Happy New Year to All.....

 

I still need to figure out how to get clear photos with the new camera. Got some 1905 Christie Front Drive stuff to shoot.

 

Bob I have the best luck taking photos of photos out doors in the right light or near a window. The thing you need to watch out for is light reflections on glossy photos.

A flash if the photo has any gloss generally will end up with a lot of glare from the flash. Keep trying different things....You'll get it.

 

Good on you, Bob - I can hardly wait to see the Christie shots!
Plus a litle beginning-of-year message of thanks to Kurtis for kicking this thread off in the first place. And, of course, to all who contribute to it.
Geoff.

 

I think not - "The Argyll performed moderately well but three broken crankshafts would not have gone unnoticed ........ "

PS It wasn't so much the engine as "the" Henry Perrot in the photo.

 

dunno but it doesn't look like much of it if it was...

 

Bob I came to the conclusion that's like chiseling with a screwdriver and bought a $5 scanner Happy 2011

 

I still need to figure out how to get clear photos with the new camera. Got some 1905 Christie Front Drive stuff to shoot.

Looking forward to the Christie pictures, 37! The Christies are one of the most intriguing,albeit unsuccessful, pieces of racing machinery to me. Wish someone would do a book, but probably the trail is too cold.

Herb Kephart

 

This is Emil Andres in the #4 BPR Spl, not Mauri Rose. Rose drove the #32 at the Vanderbilt Cup.

I don't think it was the same car Roberts fatally crashed in in '39. Different bodies for sure, frame looks different as well. Maybe Michael Ferner will chime in with an answer.

 

Here are some additional scanned newspaper clippings.

Looks like a Miller slayer (Peter DePaolo) in a Duesenberg won this race.

Condition of paper was poor but does provide some interesting information about the race.

More information here:

http://www.motorsport.com/stats/champ/data/ch192607.pdf

Vintageride

 

Thanks gilmore.

I took this photo from Howard Kroplik's site and Michael did in fact correct this and other photos from the 1936 Vanderbilt Cup.

 

Thanks for posting those clippings, Vintageride.

I have a feeling the Elcar Spl. was a jinxed mount and interesting that John Duff is described as an Englishman. Is this what Canadians were referred to back then?

 

Duff was indeed Canadian, although he was actually born in China. By the time he got to the States he'd already made his name with Bentley and Mephistopheles: at that stage I don't think Canada was an AIACR member, but as Duff had been British-based he probably raced on a British-issued licence. I'd guess that's where the idea he was English came from, although there are occasional references to him being Australian too!