I believe all three pictures show the same car. At Ascot (was a 50-miler on March 19, Burman finished 2nd behind O'Donnell/Duesenberg) the car was merely stripped of most of its bodywork. Compare the parts that are still visible, they are exactly the same.
Michael take a good look at post #900 and compare the the photos of the driver and a photo I found of Pullen. I am convinced that it is him after also looking at several more photos of him since then. Best, T-H
Yeah, that figures. I knew I had seen the face before, and Le Cocq drove several races in Sarles's Stutz and Duesenberg cars. Jim, I believe there is no doubt that Burman had two different engines for the Peugeot, even in 1915. It is some years since I did my research, but I never found enough evidence to say that he had two cars. About whether the car was still a Peugeot, that is almost a philosophical question! There may be different ways to skin a cat, but for me a car then changes identity if either the frame, the bodywork or the suspension is altered significantly. The engine has a special place, and for it to change identity it has to have its head or timing mechanism altered significantly. Neither happened with the Burman Peugeot.
Jim, i've heard of the 293ci engine/block that Miller cast for Burman but i've never heard of the interchangeable liner motor. That's new to me. Michael, yes all three cars look very similar but i've always been somewhat curious about the amount of race numbers used by Burman during the cars less than two year life under his ownership.
The caption of this photo is; Cooper consults with brother Ray during practice at Corona in 1916. I have not spent anytime with researching Ray, maybe he helped Earl? Perhaps someone knows?
Yes, I am aware of that, but I can only repeat here: this man is not Eddie Pullen. Over the last ten years or so, I have seen many pictures of Eddie, and I am one hunnert percent positive! You may still think so, in which case we have to agree to disagree.
. "any idea what Le Coug is driving?" Thanks T-Head-the Caption on my file says Bullet. I`m not familiar with that car.
I spent some time studying it and think that it is a special made out of ? If you study the frame it appears that two holes have been patched with plates. The front hole looks as though it may have been for a steering box and it is converted to LHD? The features on the frame are similar but slightly different than a Mercer. T-H
Yes. That's the first thing i looked at. In the photo below, taken in 1915, 7th car from the right, #11 is a LHD Mercer fitted with a Wisconsin T-head engine. I wonder if it later became the Bullet. Lecoq would lose his life along with his mechanic, Robert Bandini at Indy in 1919. Sad story. Signing off for today. As Batman used to say....
Dario Resta in 1916, the year he won at Indy, along with a photo of the engine that is copied until this day.
somewhere on the HAMB there is a pretty indepth converstation on that car. that pic is from Indy, when they tried to get her to qualify in the '50s.
The photo was found identified as being taken in LA. I do remember the late Indy try, I was just wondering about it's history. I found another picture of the Zip for you. Best, T-H
The Simplex Zip with the driver identified in the caption as a young looking DePlama. He appears to posing in it with a background that suggests Southern California. I am guessing the this might have been owned by the dealer Bentel, does anybody know more details? Second photo posted earlier of this car or a second one on Old Orchard Beach in Maine. Third photo of a 1912 50 HP 600 CI Simplex I rebuilt a few years ago to give people an idea of the size of these things. I forget which but I think the Zip was either a 75 HP or a 90 HP. The 50's are 5 3/4" B x 5 3/4" S, the 75's if I remember right are the same size with bigger valves and the 90's have bigger cylinder castings with a 6 1/10" bore and something like 3" valves. If anyone is really interested I can look it up for them.
Checking Phil Harm`s records De Palma drove a Simplex in 1911 at Indy and at Elgin. Hopefully one of the fellows will know more. Sure looks like Cal. in your photo.
Finley Porter Robertson in one of his wonderful OHC? later cars at the factory in Trenton. I will let Jim Dillon fill us in on this creation.
That is Hughie Hughes 3rd place finisher at Indy in 1912 with Porter taking it for a spin I suppose. The back end was lacking a tad on the aero package but you can't complain too much about third Porter was credited with the refinement of the T-Head at Mercer but I do believe Delling deserves the credit for the Mercer OHC cars. As you know Porter later had his own impressive OHC cars and the FRP racers-Jim
Jim.... That car has always reminded me of a piece of military equipment with that tail on it. Thanks for the details.Best,T-H
Cooper's Stutz after he bought it back and restored it. He took some laps with it at Indy in the early sixties as one of the old timers. It is now at the Peterson Museum.
Gil Anderson on his way to winning the 300-mile Elgin Trophy race in 1915 in his Stutz. Cooper won the day before taking the Chicago Auto Club 300-miler.
Wow, what a thread ! Thanks to all of you out there who have contributed. My own will be miniscule by comparison, but I hope you enjoy, anyway. Georges Sizaire, Sizaire et Naudin, 100 x 170 mono, Madonie circuit 1908
You have to tell everyone about the transaxle the Sizaires. also, where did you get that picture, I lifted it from the interweb years ago, but have nver found the site that was selling them again.
Years ago there were a pair of SIMPLEX blocks at a local automotive machine shop. The late Jim Hoe had dropped them off for some work. At some time in the cars life it had a wrist pin come loose and it carved grooves in the bore. The grooves were deep enough for someone to repair it by placing copper strips in the grooves then peaning them place. Wonder if it is still running with that patch somewere?
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