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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by kurtis, Jul 18, 2009.

  1. kurtis
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    Thanks for the photo Keith. I'm glad you put work ahead of pleasure.

    Onelung,

    I have always been weary of the power output the 100/300mm single put out. In my previous post i listed the 1910 Corre as a 33hp unit but i've never seen any credible evidence to suggest this is true. The de Dion engines i'm sure didn't make more than 10hp. but i could be wrong.
     
  2. bill wallace
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    The Miller car & chassis in post 1532 is the Chandler car.This car was built in 1928&29 & it was Millers attempt to show the world his ability. As has many times been the case builders of racing cars were not particurally succesful in bulding road cars but that was put to rest in the case of Bugatti & Ferrari.The v8 engine displaced 310 cu-in & the cost of the chassis & engine was over 30,000 dolars a huge sum in depression dollars.
     
  3. T-Head
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    A great photo of the Culver City Board track as it was called between 1924-27 in Southern California.

    The photo gives you a great perspective of the size of the track and banking, the crowds that attended and a general feeling of what it was really like way back then. This probably was at the height of the board track era.
     

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  4. onelung
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    I don't recall ever seeing an output cited for that De Dion engine, Kurtis, 'though I think the 100/250 Sizaire donk has been given as 42hp. I wish my road car had so much as half that! I don't think the De Dion engine was successful, as more advanced engine designs were appearing.
    Here's another Peugeot 100/250 mono in Sicily, 1908: Boillot at the wheel.
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  5. SteveLines
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    The third picture is very interesting and shows (I think!) the "Djelmo" land speed record car. This crashed at Pendine Sands in England in 1927 when being driven by Giulio Foresti.
     
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    Wow. That car looks like it is years ahead of its time. I love the airfoils on the front axle.
     
  8. Buildy
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    [​IMG]T-Head,

    That photo of Culver City board track shows the Movie Back lot of the MGM movie studio in the background.
     
  9. kurtis
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    The photo of Culver City looks very eery. Maybe it's the darkness but the first thing to pop into my head was the movie Sin City and then i thought of Gotham City for some stupid reason. Must be getting late.

    Here is a wonderful shot of the Nurburgring in 1927.
     

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    Speaking of the Movie Studios,I found this still of 1930 Racing movie Burning Up.


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  12. T-Head
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    George Walsh was an American actor of the silent era. He appeared in 81 films between 1914 and 1936. He was born in New York, New York and died in Pomona, California. He was the younger brother of film director Raoul Walsh.

    I wonder if this Mercer racing car was used in a movie? It appears to not have any numbering and also has paint work that looks much nicer than most race cars. Maybe it was someone's fast road car after it became obsolete? Let us know if you can shed any light on this.
     

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    Looks like he's in his stage make up, so it could have been used in a movie...

    or he was just HAMBing it up a break in filming:D
     
  14. Buildy
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    Definitely looks movie related to me.
     
  15. noboD
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    It looks like John Lennon
     
  16. T-Head
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    Teddy Tetzlaff on his way to victory at the Santa Monica Road Race in his Lozier in 1910.

    These and the following photos taken by J. Walter Collinge who was considered at the time to be a master photographer. The captions are his also.
     

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    Teddy Tetzlaff in his Fiat at Santa Monica where he placed 9th.

    Bert Dingley passing under a temporary bridge also at Santa Monica in 1911.
     

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    David Bruce-Brown working on a tire change at Santa Monica, where he drove his Benz to third place in 1912.
     

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    Bob Burman, averaging 90 MPH in a Peugeot , running second and challenging for the lead. He crashed, killing two spectators and himself at Corona in 1916.
     

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    At the start of the race in 1913 at Corona, Barney Oldfield leads in the Mercer #1
     

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    And to finish off for tonight, a photo of a very rare, high leverage wooden racing steering wheel adapter.
     

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    What's the story with this? The driver certainly looks familiar.
     
  23. T-Head
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    I have no idea at all or who it is Kurtis. I looked at the photo and made up my own caption to joke around. I believe it maybe a Simplex, signing off for the evening........ Best, T-Head
     
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    Here's another of Mr Brydon's not inconsiderable fleet of interesting motor vehicles: I've tried to dig up an image of the original car - a CGV (Charron, Giradot et Voigt) - to no avail. The original took part in a Grand Prix (Gordon Bennett event?) around 1904 or 5. I'm not sure how close this example is to the real thing, but it certainly looks impressive. If anyone else out there can come up with details and/or an image of the "real" one, it'd be great.
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  25. floydjer
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    Great pics. of J.Walter Christie`s cars. Anyone have photos of Finn S. Hudson`s Indy car project??
     
  26. model.A.keith
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    onelung


    check out this thread (if you haven't already ).

    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221543


    sorry no info to hand

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    Keith
     
  27. kurtis
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    Here you go onelung. What's the story with Mr. Brydon's mount. From the photo it's looks in good nik.

    The 1903 model doesn't resemble anything close to the '05 car but here are some results from the company's foray into racing.

    1903 Paris-Madrid. Four cars entered.
    Emile Voight - finished 7th.
    Etienne or Francois Giraud - 48th.
    Loste - 57th.
    Comoit - 82nd.
    There were three entered in the '03 Ardennes race @ Bastogne.
    Leonce Girardot finished 2nd,
    Emile Voight in 7th
    Etienne - DNF

    From the French Elimination Trials for the 1905 Gordon Bennett Cup.
    Photo below...
    Leonce Girardot -- CGV --crashed on it's 2nd lap. This was the firms last venture into auto racing.
     

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  28. farbon ciber
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    Dad's Racer 2 600.JPG
    an anyone help me identify this car my uncle gave me the picture of my grand father Jack Johnson in Lowrey MN he was 15 or 16 and think the date is 1911
     
  29. kurtis
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    Welcome farbon ciber.

    What else do you know about your grandfather's Ford Model T. It looks to have a homemade body but apart from that everything else is stock.
     
  30. T-Head
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    A great photo of a 1904-05 Fiat 24/32 chassis which gives us good insight into their construction. It looks very similar to the Fiat Cyclone race car we looked at earlier. The engine is probably much smaller but the chassis details look very similar.
     

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