Well, I was going to keep my A box but heard everyone on here screaming that it was a bad idea that will only need to be changed soon. So, I have found the box you all suggest (f1) and the price tag is astronomical, that said, it is rebuilt well. http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/321171106471 But reading the ol tardel book, it says that anything newer than 37 is a winner steering wise, so why can't I use the following? Thanks for any help. http://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/191691767848
I used a model a box in my last av8 the car in my avatar and it was fine and i drove the balls off it. But to the question at hand use the f1 box. Thats whats in my 34 and its nice. The later 41 box is for cross steer ing which you could do but may cause oil pan clearance headaches
I wouldnt pay 550 for an f1 box though unless theyre so hard to find in your area. They come up in the cl***ifieds here.
What do you mean by cross steering? Just wondering why more people do not use the cheaper steering over the f1, because it still has benefits over the model a. Also, I have a 30 coupe. Did you have a seven tooth or a two tooth? Edit: your cross steering had me searching, found this. Any people with experience?
I didnt think about mounting it with the pitman arm up. Maybe that would be good but i have no first hand experience. Try it out and let us know. I had a 31 coupe but i used a 20.00 swap meet model a column. Not sure what year it was. I do know i moved it back 6 inches and shortened it like 4 or 6 inches.
Cross steering is how the box was used stock where it connecet to the p***engers side spindle as apposed to push pull steering which connects to the drivers side spindle.
You can reverse a 37-48 p***enger box... Basically that's exactly what a f-1 box is ... I can sell you a rebuilt f-1 box for 400 with the steering shaft the length you request or differnt variants of the previous mentioned
Pitman arm up is wrong geometry it works, I have done it , invites bump steer .. Have to pay attention to pivot points on wishbone and draglink
Ben you should be able to an find F1 box on craigslist for a fraction of the price of that one. Full market value around here is about 150 bucks, but I just saw one on there the other day for 75. Don't get robbed for one of those, there's still plenty out there.
I used one out of a 56 Ford pickup in an Av8. It is a bit bulky and the steering shaft is below the sector but it cleared the stock flat head manifold.
A $ 100 -150 is about rate for a used box , but 60-70 percent of the ones I take apart are wore out so... Sector gear is 45.00 or full sector is 150, worm is 75.00 or 150.00 if you get it with steering shaft bearings are about 60.00 and seal kit is 15.00 add about 4hours for cleaning and paint Figures are approximate but it puts it in perspective even at 25.00 an hr labor that's 450.00 ..... 500.00 seems like a lot at first but I don't think "robbed" is an appropriate term if it has all new parts and done properly... I don't think anyone is getting rich off 25 an hr You can't compare $100 running jyd engine to a new crate motor Btw I believe san dimas early ford has f-1 boxes already modified to bolt in to stock model A , I like to build them to suit the car so I don't have that capability
Thirtytwo, gonzo and I are from the same part of the country ( new england) where the old cars were plentiful and rusty. Everything here rotted out before it mechanically failed. Though its kinda dried up now we have all enjoyed being able to cut up rusty low mileage ****boxes for parts around here. Good sevicable ateering boxes and other ch***is stuff is still obtainable here. I have a couple f1 boxes not including the one in my current project. Never paid more than 80.00 for one. Is 400.00 a fair price for a rebuilt box from you made to order. Yes for sure. Does anyone around herw pay that. No. Wipedout boxes sit in the corner or get swap meeted and people just buy good ones.
I hear you , I'm from Minnesota i dont like to pay much for them either... mostly cause they are always junk and all your buying is a case for one ... I've been using them for close to 20 years, in that time I think I have found maybe one good f-1 box , p***enger car stuff has a better percentage of being good , but lately the more of those I pull apart the more garbage I find also Sometimes the bearings and gears are save able then it feels like a lotto win most the time you open them up to find water got swallowed down the tube or someone ran all the oil out... Similiar to the banjo rear when you find one ....good stuff getting harder to find !
Haha i hear ya. Chicken soup from chicken ****. I have a collection of junk banjos. Well see how long it takes me to launch the crunchy spider gears out the bottom of the 40 rear in my 34
I'd agree on the 25/hr deal, but the Ebay Ad is not for a box, but just the labor (550) to rebuild a box, plus shipping both ways, plus the cost of a used box...easily turns into a 750 +/- deal. I think the offer above for a 400 dollar rebuilt box to spec is a good deal for sure.
You can always grab the 40-48 Ford cross steer boxes at swap meets for parts. You can save some dough on internals that way, however I agree it is a **** shoot. I'm cheap so I like working twice as hard to save some money, plus for me scrounging for parts is half the fun. If you feel that rebuilding a steering box is beyond your technical abilities then paying for a rebuilt box is definitely an option.
I can't tell you how many " rebuilt" 39 transmissions I have seen and all they are is bead blasted gears and a few new bearings ... Gears are all pitted and ****ed , people seem to drive this old **** more and more,... once rust eats those gears it's a death sentence , fine if your doing it for yourself and willing to risk it, but these guys p***ing off as rebuilt ****s , but I guess " rebuilt " is a loose term probably hold up fine in a court of law these days Honestly the link didnt work for me so I guess I was commenting on something I didn't check out fully ... I just knew I had some pieces laying around, and christmas time is comming the steering boxes are actually pretty easy , just time consuming , I've wanted to figure out a way for bolt-in boxes for people , but it seems nothing is ever truly bolt in and I didn't want to deal with flack from someone buying a box and pissed cause they had to change something
^ All true. Bottom line is if you need bolt in parts youre in over your head with this ****. For real. Offering a rebuilt box is a good service on its own
This is the best option if your willing to go through all that, nothing like using all origional ford stuff , the re-pop gears don't have the same quality , I don't really trust them ....i really didnt like the ones i got for my 32 box... but not a lot of options at this point other than hoarding steering boxes when you find them
Probably mostly for the 32-34 guys as those cars for the most part can be bolted together but the a-v8 guys could use it also, you'd be surprised of the guys trying to put these cars together with little tools , now that traditional is mainstream For 40 yrs it was pete&jakes, vega boxes and borgson joints , it's like complete melt down when you tell someone they have to modify the steering box ..un-comprehendable I'm just scared that a bunch don't realise how serious steering and stoping are ... I've seen lots of hap-hazzard stuff , in the last 10yrs
Oh yeah bro believe me i woildnt want you to open yourself up to more liability from dummies im just stating that someone offeri g a good steering box for 4 bills should be enough if an advantage. Fitting it is the least a builder could do and if you cant handle that, hand the build off to a pro
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