got a friend that wants to hop up his banger (model A ofcourse)... nicer head (maybe a lil higher compression, but not much higher than stock), intake (2 or 1 pot??? help us decide), header.... thing is, i mean the motor runs well, but is STOCK... what needs to be done to it for this to work? does it need total rebuild? nice pistons, crankshaft gone over etc??? ive been told both ways, most guiys say bottom end can stay stock as long as not OHV, is this correct? not lookin to romp on it, just lil more power and driveability , and WAY better loooks... also, what ******s can be bolted up with adapters? and where are they available, we are ***uming they run around $400... let me know more... there MUST be a catch, cause intakes etc arent that expensive.... the big deal is distributor, whats the best advice on that end? where to get it? and cost roughly? wilco? whats the deal guys... i know some of you on here know LOTS about these motors...
Winfield head, single drowndraft manifold with a 97, header and anyone of the aftermarket dizzy's apart from Mallory because they are junk. Thats pretty much the limit for bolt on stuff, but is plenty to make a nice reliable usable motor. The skys the limit and when you get beyond the bolt on it becomes very expensive. These links should get you going for now. www.dan4banger.com www.4bangersforever.com For gearbox conversions you have v8, T5 and F-150 4 speed. Is the stock 3 speed really that bad? Try here for v8 conversions. http://www.partsformodelafords.com/store/category.cfm?Category=27&StartRow=1&Previous=Yes How did you get on with that 'T'?
there is no way to run a two pot intake on em and have it be ok?? i mean couldnt you run two 94 holleys and be ok just by adjusting fuel needles and shoke accordingly?
one addendum: EARLY Mallory good, pre-late 1970's. All 2-piece cap, some one piece cap models. Carb issue is airflow, not jets. Engine has to be able to move enough AIR through its carbs to make them work. I think a single is much likelier to work on what you're doing. Single manifold, cam, header, ignition with centrifugal advance. Go.
cam, really??? dang, this lil motor might be fun... i bet the open header or zoomie bangers sound REAL cool..
New heads are relatively inexpensive as well as intake and dizzy/mag. The bottom end will be fine unless you plan on racing or going stupid fast (I feel funny just saying that) Hell I've had no problems running Miller OHV on 15 yr old babbitt! Take a look at whats out there before you start...
stuff is CHEAP,. well, kinda... like $300 for head, $165 for header, $170 for intake mani... then dizzy, not sure on that price... would go used on that if possible, new on others just cause... maybe switch over to nicer oil filter setup, is taht any better?
Also, get the thing running well BEFORE souping it. If it can't get out of its own way and struggles to reach 45 MPH, get it running right. If you soup a maladjusted motor, you'll never figure out the tangle of problems.
stock HP. is 40!!!!! i have an A engine that i was going to use. and looked hard for a long time on what to do to it for my A. get a brumfield head roto faze dist. change the cam!! a must and cam gears one 97 or 48 berg or if you can stand the newer look? a weber works best if it was me i would make it full psi. oil system? the hard core A freaks are back and forth on it????? but with higher comp. i think you need it!
but ofcourse... anyone wanna chime in on approximate hp gains from mild upgrades like head, headers, intake, 2 barrel carb, or even do the oil filter upgrades help any? or just for easier upkeep? ive also need pump upgrades, and pulley upgrades, these have worked well on motors weve had befoer, and judging by the fact that these motors are 70years old, pulleys should be a nice lil touch.... are we looking at a 5hp increase? 25? i know its a hard guess, but i also nkow that the stock components are SOOOOO restrictive, and people raced these a LOT back in the day, so they MUST be able to make some power witha few bolt ons... although i understand its all low speed power, no real top end speed available... all off the line...
o, and i KNOW this sounds ignorant, but how hard is cam install?? requires full dis-***embly?? i dont mind doin it, jsut curious, NOT a few hour job i take it!
Hey there is a guy a few miles from me that built an A speedster. I think he has an A motor with two carbs on it. He got his head from Speed Secrets, I think. He told me this place was around Elgin Il, I think they may have moved. He has an S10 5 speed behind his motor. Try speedsecrets.com. I may be wrong on this web site.
It's possible to fit a cam without pulling the motor but you'll need to use clothes pegs to keep the lifters out of the way when installing it. Ford quoted the banger as making 40hp but in reality it was closer to 36hp. With a decent head (approx 6:1 CR) mild cam, downdraught, header and dizzy you can expect around 70bhp. Try to keep the revs below 3000 else that babbitt will really suffer. If you start getting into oil pressure and counterweighted cranks etc, it'll start getting expensive. I've had no problems with my Mallory, btw.
i'm putting a t-5 behind my A, and i'm nearing the $900.00 mark.because as long as i'm in there,i may as well lighten the flywheel,put a V-8 banjo in,etc....but-a stock motor turns 45 mph at 2200 rpm in 3rd gear,that same motor with a t-5 goes 65 mph at 2200 rpm in 5th gear....and i'll be running a rayday 7:1 head ,a cam to match,and dual stromberg one-lungs...your options are wide open,but don't go thinking bangers are the cheap way out,they're gaining popularity and with that comes a high price tag,and to do one right takes some coin...
Electronic advance? There is no such thing unless you mean a pointless conversion or full electronic igniton?
is a pointless conversion,well..pointless? what do you favor? i've seen pointless conversions,but they still had the mechanical advance...
where di you get the housing adapter? how much was it? etc... lightening flywheel will result in faster car, but will take a lil off your top end speed, i know this from building race 4 cylinders for newer cars... reason being that there is less rotating m***, less to keep it rotating, sio needs higher rpms to keep at same speeds, sop might wanna rethink that... im interested in T5 conversion, would like to be able to hit freeway... dont mind spendin money.... i want this BAD...
Actually, MSD sells various boxes that control timing--I think they are add-on modular style things including one that is RPM related, one vacuum referenced, and other specialized ones for boost or topend retard. I think the setup can be activated along with the necessary MSD basic box by any distributor, including points type, with locked advance. Conceivably you could run the stock A distributor minus its timing linkage triggering $500 worth of MSD box brains...creative anachronism incarnate! I think Jacobs has/had a simpler rig with the various possible timing modes in a single box. It's been a while since I looked in these modern catalogs--I like Model B and ancient Mallorys for Bangers.
anyone makin dual 1 barrel carb intakes???? got an idea... hehehehhee... let me know!... seems like yo0u could run two 1 barrels and be ok, as opposed to 2 2 barrells, since most agree thats too much for the stock motor... 1 just doesnt look right
http://www.jcblack.com/Speedster/Ch***is/Ch***isHome.shtml that website helped me out....as for the flywheel it weighs more than an a frickin elephant,so your top end won't suffer too bad from removing 16-18 lbs. plus lightening will make your babbitt bearings happy.think also about converting rear-end to open drive,relocating rear wishbone mounts,etc. running big tires and investing 350.00 in high speed rear gears is a good starting point to getting on the freeway.as for the dual singles, you could make one or run a dual updraft manifold upside-down...i think sac vintage ford sells two- bolt flanges ...i'll be doing a post soon on running dual singles .
Yep, them be early holden carbs. The intake was made out of tubing with a simple balance tube between. I know of a model A getting around here with a Volvo electronic distributor. Not sure on the model but I think it had a key drive as well.
I'm into this setup the better part of $1,000 Vintage very few made Tattersfield dual hi rise intake, Dual Holley 92/81's. ( Ford's version of the Stromberg 81- this is not a typo. they do exist but are hard as hell to find, trust me.) they sip the gas like the Strom. 81 so you can run duals on a banger fine. Wico magneto with Raja terminals. Next thing to come for me is a Hi compression head, either the Lion speed head or the Brumfield. prolly 6:1 or a little better, a mild cam, and headers, home made. Nate is right, this banger stuff ain't cheap, but the end result is worth it if you ask me. Don't expect to go freeway cruising with the flow of traffic unless you do a ****** overdrive conversion, but around town they are great. here's a ****ty pic of my mill. still working out the bugs.
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