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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by Aaron laughlin, Sep 10, 2022.

  1. Aaron laughlin
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    Please help I have this 30 coupe and I can't get it to run for more than about 20 minutes every piece of the ignition System is new. Seems like the coil gets hot and then it starts spitting and sputtering until it just stops. I am at a complete loss. Please help any info of why this is happening.
     
  2. Daniel Dudley
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    Do you need a ballast resistor?
     
  3. Aaron laughlin
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    Isn't it inside the coil?
     
  4. CSPIDY
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    There are two types of coils one with a resister built in and one with out
     
  5. set me on fire
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    6v or 12v system ?
     
  6. Aaron laughlin
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    I would try swapping in the old parts 1 at a time .. coil 1st etc. good luck
     
  8. BJR
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    Put some ice in a baggie and lay on the coil, and see if it runs longer. If it does, get a new coil and try again. If it still gets hot add a ballast resister.
     
  9. Aaron laughlin
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    6 volt
    Just bought a brand new coil. It has new ignition pop out new wires new condenser new points new cap rotor all that the only thing that is not a factory application is the six volt alternator what does the ballast resistor do. Where can you find one for a six volt application
     
  10. Aaron laughlin
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    Six volts
     
  11. Aaron laughlin
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    Yes that's why I thought I bought this coil that says on the advertising internal resistor
     
  12. set me on fire
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    just outta curiosity I ck'd the ohms on my coil and reads 1.3 and on it the coil it says
    "resistor required"...i dont see no stinkin resistor...unless its built into the cable that goes from the coil to distributor..
    makes me wonder cuz all those parts are relatively new just a couple months old and I've had no problem with mine
    points ,cond'r ,rotor, coil cable...
     
  13. Aaron laughlin
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    I bought my coil from cw moss it says internal resistor. Not sure what to do
     
  14. BJR
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    No need for ballast resistor if internal resistor in coil.
     
  15. Aaron laughlin
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    Any idea what is allowing the coil to get so hot that the car begins to misfire and shut down?
     
  16. Aaron laughlin
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    Ok why would cw moss sell the only six volt coil they have with a resistor inside of it isn't going to work? You are saying that the coil is getting hot because the current may be being resisted inside the coil itself? I am only trying to learn and gain understanding and the knowledge to fix my coupe and make it run. I truly appreciate all the conversations and help others offer
     
  17. Phil P
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    Have you put a volt meter on the system while it running to confirm you only have 6 volts plus a bit to charge the battery. Also unfortunately now a days just because something new doesn't mean it's good.

    Phil
     
  18. Aaron laughlin
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    Where should I place the volt meter to test for voltage? And yes your right the new part could be bad. I had a volt meter on the battery while it's running and it's just over seven volts.
     
  19. Phil P
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    That's where I would check, 7 volts running sounds like what I would expect normally.

    Phil
     
  20. ClarkH
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    I'm with @Elcohaulic on this. When I bought my 6v Model A it had a ballast resistor. My brother took one look and said "What' the hell is that doing there?!?!" We took it off and the car's been running great for 5 years.

    Lots of good info on the Ford Barn regarding this issue.
     
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  21. shorrock
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    Check the points, if they are closed for too long (dwell) the coil will get hot after a while. So I would try a bigger gap (points opening) as that will reduce the time the coil could be saturated with current. This will then result in less heat.
     
  22. Aaron laughlin
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    So I may have the wrong coil because the one they sold me has a resistor inside?
     
  23. Aaron laughlin
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    Thank you this is good advice. I have the points set at .20 how far open do you think is ok .22 or more even?
     
  24. Aaron laughlin
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  25. Aaron laughlin
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    Thank you this is good advice I have the point set at .20 how far open can I go
     
  26. shorrock
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    Depending on other factors like carburation and compression you will find the max points opening when the engine will not fire over a revlimit as the time to saturate the coil is too short to generate the next spark for those higher revs. Not knowing your engine etc I would try 25 to see if it makes a difference in coil temp. Make sure that you reset the firing point correctly as it advances when you change the points.
     
  27. Aaron laughlin
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    Just really quickly it a 6:1 head with oversized pistons downdraft intake with a Stromberg 81. I can try to set the points to .25. I don't understand what you mean by resetting the firing point correctly as it advances?
     
  28. BJR
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    Re set the timing.
     
  29. set me on fire
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    took my rusty pickup for a drive round town when i got back the coil felt hot to the touch but again out of curiosity I shot the temp ... was about 128 f doesnt seem to hot to me runs fine with out ballast resistor
    I'd try another coil
     
  30. winduptoy
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    If you are stock with 6V on your Model A .....no ballast resistor, internal or external
    You need a 6V coil that has a nominal 1.5 ohm primary resistance
    A ballast resistor is added to a 1.5 ohm coil so it can be used in a 12V application
    So lets talk this thru.
    If the car starts and runs OK and then after awhile it dies and there is no spark...
    the coil is for a 12 Volt application used on 6 Volts it will get hot and act just like what you are experiencing
    I cannot answer for why CWMoss provided you with the coil they did but mistakes happen. Have you talked to them?
    Either way, you need a 6 Volt coil
    Good luck
     
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