Beginning of mandatory water based paints?

A buddy of mine runs the body shop of the local Chevy dealer. When the shop was reopened, they switched over to Sikkens waterbourne and the finished product has been excellent.

 

we shot it at school early this year and had the reps come in and show us what was needed to do spray different applications and i liked it and it blends really well in my opinion

 

Kustombuilder since you work for GM do you get to paint the prototype clay models they do up there?

 

Very true Bob !

 

Ferrari has been using water borne since the 70's...think it's okay? I work for an automotive paint specialty store in Sacramento,Ca. Everyone that has switched so far is very happy with the results, and we supply very high end restoration & hot rod shops in Nor Cal.....Change is here guys, you can piss & moan all you want, but the fact remains you'll have to adapt or move on.

 

Well, that's what I'm thinking as well....'Adapting' to waterborne paints for my own use seems to be what I should be doing.

 

The big thing with the water born bases is movement of air to dry them. You have to have a lot of dry air moving by the panels to dry the base.

The reason the base is now waterborn is that it was the product that used the most solvent (VOCs). Most solvent basecoats were reduced 1:1 with solvent. By moving to water based you get rid of about 1/3 or more of the solvent in the entire job.

Works well if you have the air movement to get it dry.

 

Uh that's a 71. 70 is totally different.

 

Dumb question coming, just a warning. What about breathing apparatus.
Anything special needed, since it is water base do you even need breathing
equipment? I realize for the more common clear coats that you do. Has
anyone tried the water base clear coats? Any good?

 

Yes there are still solvents in the paint just not as much.

 

I have been using it off and on since 1980. It was hard to come by so I never used it on a regular basis. I really like the clean up aspects. I am looking forward to doing my next Paint job( a Flame job) with it and really don't plan on going backto the old way.

 

If you really want to get excited about something it is the prep products that are being taken away that are more of a concern. Trying to get the goo off of with the low voc stuff ****s. We recently lost two of our favorite products due to changes in the rules in Arizona. The paint is the least of our concerns.

 

I know what you mean. I use brake cleaner at work everyday, and it's industrial grade.....for now.

 

water base paint isnt bad its just different it takes twice as long to paint a car and doesnt cover for **** but aside from that its all good it flows and pearls and candies are no problem

 

hell yeah we have this new compliant laquer thinner for cleaning guns and **** adn its more water than thinner its terrible and costs more

 

I have a Nash Metropolitan and I'm going to finger paint it with water paints. I'll never go back to regular old junk paints.I'm trying to do all I can for the enviroment and save money so Obama can have another $24,000 date night.

 

You can make ignorant political posts all you want, but this was coming down the pipe during the last administration. Trying to blame one or the other is stupid. Waterborne paints have been coming for a while.

 

I'm curious as to technique.

Goes on real wet?

If it dries so fast, are runs virtually a thing of the past?

Guessing that color sanding and buffing are about the same as with the old paints.

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Good discussion, sensible comments . . . my paint job is probably a year away, but I feel better about the water based stuff.

 

The knuckle draggers will be howling and whining (a few already are). A principle of evolution is that not everything (everyone) evolves.

 

Of course, really traditional would be mixing your own paint using linseed oil and genuine vegetable turpentine, adding your own pigments, and laying it on with a brush. A good finish can be had that way, but it'd take skills that are rare nowadays, and better brushes than you're likely to find. It might take a month or more to dry, moreover, in a closed room amid wet d****s: most of the advances in paint technology over the past century have been about drying time.

But it would be more truly sustainable than any water-based synthetic.

 

didnt bush have a 7 trillion dollar date 8 years long?

 

down here in the south,we have around 90-100% humidity most of the time.would somebody that has used this type of paint in these conditions chime in.when you have this much water in the air,how does it compleatly dry?

-danny

 

Hahaha, J/K, settle down guys, put the weapons down.

 

Are the data sheets online?

 

Maybe they have hardener formulations for different weather conditions / tempratures, like with Deltron clears.

 

No it's all about air flow, clean airflow...I read that the paint will take longer to dry, but thats it...it goes on pretty much as dry as you can get it

 

And if it's in a booth set on bake?

 

Dunno bout that...Everything I've read about it is that it's a no bake deal, there are driers that you can get for it but they dont involve heat, just m*** clean airflow.

I bought all the materials to do my truck when I get it that far soooo I've been schooling myself up on the process.

I'll end up painting a few things other than the truck (like my boys hot rod stroller and his tractor) prior to slingin it on the final tin....

 

It will definitely slow it down. You may need some type of dehumidifier in the booth or air line for the blowers (maybe a normal inline drier will do it) but I am not sure as where I am located it is exactly the opposite for most of the year we have so little humidity we have to pump water into our furnaces to keep any humidity in the air at all. As Saltly mentioned the big thing is gettiing airflow across the paint so it will pull the humidity away from the surface.

 

Talked to my paint supplier today. Local (North central AL) regulations will allow solvent-base paint until 2011 or 2012. In the meantime, paint distributors are encouraging area bodyshops to convert to water-base to get them ahead of the curve.

As of right now even lacquer is still legal here but it ain't gonna last much longer.

I'm already spraying water-base, but CARC military paint is a little different from base / clear. It's more like spraying Hershey's chocolate syrup instead of paint, Lol.