Best gasoline?

I'm sure that all AVGAS is 100 low lead or 100LL. Not really legal to sell for non aircraft purposes because there is no federal highway tax collected from it.

 

My dad was a fuel truck driver for 17 or so years and this is what he has told me on the subject.

In his opinion Shell is the best with Chevron coming in #2

Yes the driver adds the Techron to the Chevron fuel when he dumps it at the station.

Not all fuel comes out of the same tank.

7-11 for instance uses a lower grade fuel as does Arco, Circle K and the like. The drivers get this from a different location.

Shell has their own tank and if you deliver to Shell you only deliver to Shell.

Costco does have good fuel.

He knows a lot more than this but I can't remember it all.

At the end of the day he fuels up at Shell and Chevron.

Never fuel at Flying J by the way he hates them on several levels.

 

Notice that the poster lives in a completely different country than you and they might have a different rating system on their fuels.

 

I have worked around the oil refineries here in Houston for many years and I will atempt to explain how the system works. First there is a government required receipe for all types of fuel made. If it is 87 octane non-leaded it is the exact fuel coming out of all of the refineries. When the refineries make a batch of gas and it p***es inspection it is pumped into the pipeline network that goes all over the country.

If Shell pumps an amount of product into the pipeline in Baytown, Texas it can take that amount of product out of the pipeline in Trenton, New Jersey. Here is where the differences come into play. After Shell takes out the product and moves it into their storage tanks they add their propriority additives and chemicals that make it their own blend. Independents can buy the raw gas out of the pipeline and do anything they want with it. Those small gas stations that sell for less are selling anything from raw gas to high end blends that the big guys have in excess and need to move into the market.

Over the years I have had the best results using Shell produsts in my street rods and daily drivers. When I lived in New England I ran Sunoco 260 but that was years ago.

 

Years ago when they actually did have 80 octane AVGAS, I put a tank full in my 58 Ranchero, it ran so bad the exhaust fumes made my eyes water. I agree with porkn******, it will run but not good at all.

 

I heard on NPR that they all use the same additives, but one company will advertise one additive while another company will advertise a different additive, but in the end it's all the same.

 

Different specific gravity, the floats sink and that makes them flood. You end up with an eye burner.

I have heard of people mixing a little Av-gas in with their pump gas and having good results but to say that my mechanic said to run it on Av-Gas and so I did is just pure BS.

 

Av gas is blended for a slower burn time for aircraft engines that run at 2300 rpm. It will work in auto situations but a lot of the fuel is unburned and dumped out the exhaust when used in a higher operating rpm range than the 1800 to 2300 rpm. I used to mix 100LL av gas with 93 octane pump gas in my 12.5:1 compression small block road race Corvette when it was cheaper to do that than buy race gas.

 

I work on those bikes and no problems on 10 percent 93 octane Ethanol provided the engine is tuned well. Might have to increase the pilot jet one size. On an Amal Concentric that means drilling out a few plugs to get at the fixed orifice.Main jet bumped up one size and maybe the needle raised one notch.Total timing at 38 degrees.Sorry for the cycle rant ........

 

It's not close to anything but the idea is the same.

 

This is a list of stations, by state, that sell pure gas sans ethanol.

http://pure-gas.org/

 

Ol Henry intended his cars to run on Ethanol, his first cars ran on it. I bet the original hot roders *****ed and moaned about taking lead out of the gas. No more Ethyl? Some things dont change, well except some modern ***holes want their money to go overseas. And apparently hate the USA farmers????? Please move to where its better....

I have personally have never had noticable problem with any gas, even mexico where my truck used to ping 20 years ago. Never a water problem but living in Arizona might solve that issue. The Ethanol plant in my home town in Iowa is considering switching from Ethanol to Buthanol? Hotter burning and more efficient I believe.

 

I read where they may lift the ethanol in gasoline mandate temporarily.
I'm not holding my breath though.

 

ethanol is one of the greatest things to hapen to this country! **** the arabs!! most of what you hear about rich farmers is BS.. I get around to other parts of the country, and most of the gas pumps are the same. they LIST ETHANOL!!!! you have a choice, gas or a blend...it says so on the pump! you have a choice of fuel from wash. DC to San Diego, twin citys to plains Georga. so you guys live in a remote part of the world where there is ethanol in pumps that plain lable gas????

 

Guess I missed the Brisbane part, and I wasn't trying to be a smart ***. I just wonder why his cars ran bad on 87 octane. It may be that his 87 octane is also low grade, and full of bad ju ju. I just tire of people thinking more octane is "better" gas. "I put the good stuff in. and it runs alot better". Based on octane rating alone, that would only be true if your OBD ll car was detonating and the knock sensors were retarding the hell out of the timing. If your car is pinging/knocking so bad it won't run on 87 and you've been driving it like that for a while, then the damage has been done. I would sure lkie to use ethanol free gas but, as far as I know, it doesn't exist here in Aus TX.

 

-----------your pissed because you're probably a corn farmer. 85% of the ethanol tainted gas still comes from arabs and other countries. Considering ethanol is costlier to produce and is hard on engine components your argument doesn't hold water(gas). By the way I was born and raised in Iowa and farmers are the biggest ****ing crybabies in the country. What's a good reason the making gas outa something that costs more than what's available. We need to drill our own gas, not produce **** to put in it to satisfy a few!

 

Where do all you guys come up with this "arab" stuff? Your facts (and I use that term very loosely) are incorrect. We get the majority of our oil (to be refined into gasoline) in the USA from the Great White North. Yep, Canada...

 

not a farmer!!!!!!! NOT PISSED!!!!!!! i do look at all sides on most everything thats ever had a question please tell me, don't your gas pumps list what you are buying? it seems most places I'v been do!

 

Best gasoline. Viera's Chevron, San Luis Obispo, CA. Year 1961. Good ol' days. 121/2 and 13 compression. For Hot rods. Just couldn't let this one go. HEE HEE

 

Ethanol IS one of the biggest scams ever played on consumers. If that mandate to stop putting it in gas goes through, it'll all come out. The ***holes that want cars to run on ethanol, are the same ones that want everyone to drive a damn Prius.

And in MOST places running it isn't an option. Not having a choice is your wake up call. Also, about a dozen states use it and don't label it. It's not required.

Read this. http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/2011-08-16-ethanol-autos-epa_n.htm

It's great how they say ethanol is safe in older cars, as long as you convert your car. ****, if you do that, it isn't an old car. Oh, that's right, these are also the same folks who are pushing for hot rods/cl***ics to use newly manufactured engines in order to get registered.

 

http://robertrapier.wordpress.com/category/gasoline-blending/

This guy seems to know what he's talking about.

And ethanol IS a scam, pure and simple. Ethanol can be produced form ANY organic material! Gr***, tree debris, ****...it's all organic, yet they choose to use food for people and animals to produce fuel that cost more to make per gallon than gasoline. Of course the CORN states love ethanol! Follow the money...

To keep this on-topic per the OP question...I like the fuel sold though QT, Love's and OnCue (three unrelated OKlahoma-based chains). I will not buy from Citgo (controlled by Venezuela) for purely political reasons.

 

It depends whose sitting in the White House. It cost way too much to make Ethanol. The F***** bureaucrat lobbyists who give away subsidies to farmers. This is one of the biggest hoaxes ever played on the American public.

 

Follow the money................
Finally the truth.

 

Friend of mine delivers gas locally. He gets it from the local refinery/wholesale distribution point. He delivers to every brand of gas station. All of the gas comes out of the same tank. However, depending on the station he is delivering to, they punch up a different additive package. Shell has one mix of additives, E**on another, and so on.

One thing to keep in mind. As helpful as additives are for cleaning fuel lines and the like, every unit volume of 'whatever' that gets added to the gas is that much less of a unit volume of gasoline. It is the gas that makes the power. So if a gallon of pure gas has 100% BTU potential, by the time you add ethanol (lowers the BTUs) and additives (lowers them even more) you have fewer BTUs per gallon, and that much less power and mileage.

Shell puffs out their chest that they put nitrogen in their gas. Would that be the same nitrogen that is the most abundant gas in our atmosphere? The same nitrogen that does not support combustion at all? Why would I want an inert ingredient in my gasoline - they are lowering the available BTUs even more.

Truth in advertising should include oil companies from displaying the BTUs per gallon of the gas they sell. Just like unit pricing at the supermarket, just judging gas by 'which brand you like' or 'which is the cheapest' is illogical. I would want the gas with the highest BTUs per dollar.

 

By the way, on another forum someone posted a way to 'wash' gas to remove the ethanol. He claims that he does it for his generators and other old, small engines that don't like ethanol.

He puts about a quart of distilled water (or A/C condensate) into a 5 gallon gas can and fills it up with gas. Tilting the can so that the water collects at the bottom, he siphons out the water from the bottom. By siphoning into a clear container, you can see when all of the water is out, as some gas will come through. The ethanol is in the water.
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The remaining gas in the can is gasoline, without ethanol. I have not tried this but it sounds correct.

 

Ethanol ****s. If it is such a great product, why is it MANDATED that we use it instead of giving us a CHOICE to use it?

 

Majority of petroleum refined to gasoline is from Mexico, Canada and U.S.. Only about 20% from Arab countries.

 

I still have the burning question, where do you guys buy GAS, from a GAS only pump that has ethanol in it?(knowing you can buy a blend)