Billetproof ??? NW - 2008 WTF happened????

Oh yes they can. They did it didn't they?

JH

 

...what a downer.

fact: the show was amazing, the people got along (all kinds of ages and styles) and for once it felt like it was about the cars, not the genre with pinups, and a sea of rice paper umbrellas. if i had to complain i'd have to be pissed off at my self for only having three rolls of super 8 and not 12.

-marty

 

Well Blame Me for Cars you don't think should have been there. Alan was Not running the Gate. We "The Slo Pok's" were and I was the #2 go to Guy. The problem was some 6 Car owners decided to Park there cars and Abandon them right as you turn off the Road and I was Stuck directing Traffic until 9:15 off the Hwy. Had I been on the Gate Fenderless A frames would not have been let in. We turned away 8 other cars and a whole Heard of Corvetts that I felt came just to Test us. Digital Gauges? I'll tell you what, You come stand at the Gate and stick your Head in the window of 600+ cars and Controll that OK.
If you don't like what we did you have the Option Not to come back, Funny thing is your only the second person I've heard complain. The first one had the Balls to stand in front of me to speak his Mind. I gave him his $10.oo back. He didn't drive a Hot Rod to the Event either. Would you like a Refund?
The Wizzard

 

First, accusing me of being a greedy promoter by allowing in cars that dont fit the rules is WAY off base and I take personal exception to it. If you think I "let in" cars that dont fit the rules for the $20 for you are sorely mistaken. I stand behind the work I do and go to great lengths to put on a good show and will not stand for baseless accusations to the contrary. Legitimate complaints are always welcomed as I always am open to ways to improve the show, but to impune my integrity is right out.

Second, as to trailer queens coming to the show. How would you police this? When a car rolls up to the gate how do you know if it came off a trailer or not? The "TRAILER QUEEN" designation speaks to a type of car that is a high dollar show car, not to a car that someone chose to trailer to a show for one reason or another. Perhaps its a stock Model A that came over 500 miles to the show. Ever driven a Model A with a stock driveline on the freeway? Not fun at 45mph for 500 miles. Did you ask anyone with the trailers what the brought? No? I know several trailers where there with one owner and multiple motorcycles. No way to ride all of them to the show. I know some of the trailers were there for non-running cars that were in the show. Did you count how many of those there were? No? hmmm. How about competition cars? Should someone with a front engined dragster be required to drive it on the freeway for hundreds of miles to get to the show?

Third. For implying that I'm not following the tradition that KIRK! and Jay started is also off base. You understand that KIRK is still involved with the show right? I've talked with KIRK at length about this subject and you understand people have been complaining about cars they think shouldnt be in the show since day one.

Fourth. Cars did indeed get turned away at the gate. I have to go over this after every Billetproof show. So much so that I have copied the text and now just cut and paste it when this comes up. It seems as though as soon as you print "rules" all someone wants to do is to find a "loophole" to get their car in (witness the guy in Florida who put cycle fenders on his IFS car and then said, "SEEEEEE!!!! Its not a fenderless car with IFS!!!") or someone wants to find cars that dont fit the rules and complain about them. The rules are in place to clue in someone that doesnt know what a traditional car should be. I will now paste up the response that I've typed soooo many times before.
From the Florida show (with added text that applies to this show):

 

Please dont mis-understand. I'm not pissed off at all. The tone of the original post and the PM I was sent about this did indeed sound upset though.

if the original poster thinks that he did not get his moneys worth at the show it will be gladly refunded.

 

The guys in the RED pants, were me and my sons and friends! We were simply havin a good time. No different than the want to be rockabillys with there cuffs rolled up and chain drive wallets! None of it is Traditional! Have a good time or stay home!!!...OLDBEET

 

Should not have been in the show. PS, radial tires are just fine at a Billetproof show. I run them one of my cars, I run bias on another.

also should not have been in the show

nothing wrong with this car a paint job wouldnt fix

the wheels should have kept this car out of the show.

and you can tell it was a bolt together car how? Are you sure this frame and body didnt come out of barn? Who bolted it together? Was it the owner? Did he hire someone else to do it? What about this car SPECIFICALLY do you think makes it not worthy of being in a Billetproof show?

again, you have about 10 seconds at the gate to give a car a once over and see if it fits the show. Cars with billet engine brackets, digital gauges and such do occasionally get through. From the looks of this pic its actually in the parking lot. I could be wrong though.

Now this pic is just sexy.

 

well put alan...

i wonder if this idiot dave was the guy at the gate yelling at everyone leaving to "do a burnout in your trailer queen"...dumb fucker bout got punched in the throat.

hhrdave, i was at amocat...did we meet??

 

Now the price of Red pants will go up,as speculators will start hoarding them,anticipating the next big fashion bandwagon.

 

Someone always has to be a prick. Enjoy the show, get off your high horse, or get back in your p.o.s. and get the f out. Your choice but to go after the people that put on the show is just wrong, and you should be ashamed. And, what you got against red pants?

HEY NEXT YEAR YOU PUT ON A SHOW AND SEE HOW EASY IT IS!!!!!!!

 

the worst offence in the opening statement was posting the picture of a nice girl smiling for the camera, someone who I know personally and has not a mean bone in her body.
she's a nice kid.
she and her husband are real car people, have several projects and belong to a local car club that has been around for a long time.
to post her picture as an example of what should not be let in is heartless and cruel.

I removed the picture

maybe some of those cars did not belong at that show
but I think more to the point, maybe it's you who do not belong here.

 

I usually scroll right past these posts, but hey, WTH. I would have to agree with HHRDave, Ryan and The Wizz. If you don't like the car, walk past it and don't give it the time of day. But if the show is billed as one thing, than thats something different. Complain to the promoter. The Wizz makes an excellent point. I have never actually "put on" on a show but I have helped and its virtually impossible to inspect each and everycar that comes thru the gate. Especially when there lined up down the street. I just got back from the Street Rod Nats in Pueblo and out of the 2000 cars that were there, I looked at maybe 250. Do I like pastel 1980 street rods? No. Will I go back next year? Yes and its because of those 250 cars.

 

OK, I wasn't going to give this thread the time of day, but... I'll keep it short and sweet.

There have been "wrong" cars at Billetproof since the very first show when Fudgie brought his '65 Mustang. Sorry Fudgie.

Do "wrong" cars get in? Yep. Even the years when we turned away 40+ at the gate, some sill got in.

Did I have a few people whining that 20 of the 900 cars sucked? You bet. I'd tell them thanks for noticing that there were so many more "right" cars, and told them "You're welcome for the great turnout of 'right' cars." The "right" have always FAR outweighed the "wrong."

What's even funnier is that I even let the whiners work the gate the next time around, and just as many got by them. When there's a line of 200 cars blocking the street, you might just miss a digital gauge or billet rearview mirror. It's amazing to me that this will completely ruin someone's day. If you can't ignore 20 of the 600 cars at the show, you need to lighten up or stay home.

It's supposed to be a fun day with like-minded buddies. The guys that get in that don't "get it" usually do the next time, since nobody looked at, or liked, their "wrong" car. Either that or they don't come back. That has been proven over and over again.

Don't like it? Start your own show. That's what I did.

Nobody, and no show is perfect.

 

Open challenge to anyone that goes to any car show:

Find .5% of cars that you think shouldnt be at the show (as was the case here 3 out of 600).

I'm willing to bet a crisp $1 bill that at ANY car show you are going to find this. Even at the Pebble Beach Concours where it is invite only. I know I've seen cars there that were a little questionable as to their classification.

 

you owe me a new keyboard KIRK. *massive spit take*

 

I didn't even notice the cars in the pics except for Rich's roadster cuz I know him (and wanted to see it). But when I left I was on my way to Portland to see the kids I did get passed by a guy towing his truck and I was thinking what a pussy, then as I got into Portland I blew the rear end and ended up towing mine back up to Port Townsend Oh well

 

The new Billetproof t-shirt design.
(note, this is also a reminder to me. I will likely be wearing one at the next show)

 

The same thing happens at the Pileup... I worked the gate for the last 3 years. Shit talkers come out and hunt for cars that they think shouldn't have been there. Sure we miss some... but trying to funnel 1000 cars into the fairgrounds in a timely manner isn't easy.

The car with the digital dash... if it came to the gate at the Pileup I wouldn't even have looked inside the car. It looked fine on the outside. Chances are you were the only one who looked inside it anyways... hunting for more shit to stir.

The IFS cars, well those slip by. Someone just wasn't doing their job. It happens.

If shows like BP and the Pileup policed the rules 100% and inspected every car there would be hundreds of people pissed that it took 2 hours to get into the show. So you give up a little to keep the masses happy.

Two complaints and lots of positives... seems like it worked at BP.

So a dozen cars made it in that shouldn't have.... don't call out the promoters as greedy. It happens. Its human error. Its out of their control...

I'll tell you what. I'll come to your traditional show and see how well you pull it off...

 

we had a few that got into our show.....why? not enough help and the show tripled in size! if you would like to pick apart every car at our show to be perfectly trad, we would have had 9 cars, and only 1 or our own! shit happens ! we didnt let them in for the money,! hell infact, i went in the whole this year cause so many didnt bother to register![to many ways into town]~! but thats the shit you learn when "you" put on a show! tryin being on this side of the fence bud! its more fuckin work then you can possibly imagine! the day your show is over, your startin on the 09 show! you should volanteer to help work the gate! i give a shitabout digi gauges....really an easy fix....if you catch it...hand them a marker and a p of paper, tell them to draw old gauges on it, the sit them over the digis!
ohh, and how the hell did you talk MAGNET into sellin some of his red pants stash?????

 

...i'll take 100.

 

All this time I thought the Billet/$50K Paint job guys were the Elitists! Ironic how just a few years can turn anybody stupid....What ever happened to "Car Guys"? I've been around long enough to remember a time when the cars represented at Billetproof and other "traditional" rods and customs were relegated to the parking lots, outside the venues. It was stupid then, and it's stupid now....Don't worry my man, Billet doesn't attack you and drag you to the ground....it can be resisted and your ride won't "catch it"....I'm glad we get to enjoy all these cars....who knows, 5 years from now all the current HAMB cars may be unbagged and Candy Coated.... C9

 

Ever read this book ?



From Wikipedia:

"The Sneetches"

"Sneetches are a race of odd, yellow creatures who live on a beach. Some Sneetches have a star on their bellies, and in the beginning of the story the presence or absence of a star is the basis for discrimination.Sneetches who have stars on their bellies are part of the "in crowd", while Sneetches without stars are shunned and consequently mopey.
In the story, a "fix-it-up chappie" named Sylvester McMonkey McBean appears, driving a cart of strange machines. He offers the Sneetches without stars a chance to have them by going through his Star-On machine, for three dollars. The treatment is instantly popular, but this upsets the old star-bellied Sneetches, as they are in danger of losing their method for discriminating between classes of Sneetches. Then McBean tells them about his Star-Off machine, costing ten dollars. The Sneetches formerly with stars happily pay the money to have them removed in order to remain special.
However, McBean does not share the prejudices of the Sneetches, and allows the recently starred Sneetches through this machine as well. Ultimately this escalates, with the Sneetches running from one machine to the next,
<dl><dd>"until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew</dd><dd>whether this one was that one or that one was this one</dd><dd>or which one was what one... or what one was who."</dd></dl> This continues until the Sneetches are penniless and McBean leaves a rich man. In the end, the Sneetches learn that neither plain-belly nor star-belly Sneetches are superior, and they are able to get along and become friends."






Like THAT is going to happen in real life.

 

I want one, it will go great with my RED pants!

 

It is the same problem we fight with every year (Hotrodarama). This is why we try to have pictures for the pre registered cars. This in theory allows us to police the gate better the day of the show (less cars to look over). But we always miss a few cars. The big problem is if I ran the gate there would only be about 100 cars. But the show is for the people and we as show promotors need to keep that in mind. Everybody like's something different. So you can't be that anal. Dave is right that there were a few cars that should have not been in the show. But in defense of Alan, it is a lot of work to get something like this together (first year) and pull it off as well as he did. I like Kirk's idea. Next time someone bitches to me I will tell him to work the gate next year.

Also Dave the pic of the Gal you put up. Her name is Crystal. Her husband as well as herself are great people. They drive old shit everyday. Maintain it everyday. Not some rockabilly bullshit to look cool. Just for the record.
Steve Glucoft
Amocat Speed Emporium
Hotrodarama

 

KIRK!, it all comes down to what you have in your signature...

Vance

 

HHRdave atleast i must uf made one hell of a statement in my red pants sorry i wasnt wearing
my matching shirt i was hot and hung over why did ya have to wait till we walked by. you must be a ass man why didnt you come up to me and ask whats going on why
red pants . chicken shit!!!! by the way lets see pics of your perfect car!!!
every one is entitled to there own oppinion my oppinion is your a ASSHOLE!!!! by the way im fat your ugly atleast i can diet!!!! jeffrey just my 2 cents

 

Thank you Paul! I wasn't going reply to this thread because I have learned not to respond to Trolls over the years. It isn't worth my time.

But admittedly... this post hurt a bit... Crystal and her husband Mike are in our Club The Cam Winders. And they are simply the best. The kindest, most generous folks you could meet. They live for the cars. Totally traditional. Mike won't even put a V8 in his shoebox because it came with a flat 6. He doesn't want to change the stock wiring. Hey... that's cool... I'd rather have an 8 but I can respect that. Point is... these are no trendy rockasillys were talking about. Yeah Crystal has a big butt... so what??????? Who's being the judgmental scenester turd here? Someone who minds their own business and comes out and has a good time? Or the dood that goes out of his way to not only pass judgement and talk trash.... but take pictures... download them... and post them on a message board? Do everyone a favor man.... stick to talking trash about the cars.

Then, there is the Coffins in their red pants. I wouldn't wear red pants. But I wouldn't feel too comfortable telling em they shouldn't either. They do call themselves a hotrod gang ya know! hahahahaha.... I know quite a few Coffins. Great car club in my opinion. Tough guys who can hold there own... and people I will stand behind when ya talk trash... so lay off my homies!

 

this thread has played itself out.