I downloaded the form from the internet on the Broadway ***le site but I didn't see a price for pre-1974 cars on there any more, so I called and I just got of the phone with "Flemming" that works there. I was told that the state they are in has changed the laws about registering cars for them, and they are requiring the car be there physically to get a Serial Number Inspection. Was also told that my car would not have to phyiscally be there, but that I do have to use the form for the 1974 and newer cars and the price is now $299 instead of the old $150. They are in the process of making the changes on their web site. This apparently went down yesterday. They can still take care of ***les in all the states they could before, but it will take 5 weeks according to Flemming, and the cost did go up. On their site it says that for cars newer than '74 they use an affiliate in a different state and that costs more.... I think they are jsut doing that for the pre '74 cars now with this new law. Anyway, there is a heads up for anyone about to do this. todd
so now the car has to be there to have a VIN inspection, but it doesnt need to be there, and if its a car older than 74, you need to use the form for newer than 74? this makes little to no sense
Damn, that ****s. Ive used them once before. So we can still get ***les for just about anything, its just gonna cost $299?
Got any friends in Alabama ? Let me tell you how i got around this for under 100 bucks. Found my 55 for sale last year , no ***le . Got the vin number and had the local Police run a check on it to make sure it wasnt hot , it was clean so i went ahead and bought the car with a bill of sale. Now the fun part. Living in illinois and not having a ***le is a pain in the *** , The line " I hate illinois Nazis" from the blues brothers does hold some truths ha ha ha . Anyways i started looking around , a friend of mine lives in alabama , Alabama will NOT issue a ***le for a vehicle older than 1980 , you get Registration only , if the car is sold out of state the registration goes with it . Now , since the car came from alabama to illinois , and alabama does not issue ***les for cl***ic cars , then Illinois MUST honor the registration . TADA CLEAN AND CLEAR ***LE For my 55 in the state of illinois. I sold the car to my friend in Alabama , she took the bill of sale "Only do***ent required in alabama" to the local courthouse and registered it , 3 weeks later when she got the registration in the mail , i bought the car back from her "wink wink" She sent me her own bill of sale , and the signed registration . I took her bill of sale and the registration to my local dmv . THe looked at it and had never seen anything like it , soooooo they flip open the BIGGG book on dmv laws from state to state . The manager of the dmv came out , flipped through the book and looked me sqaure in the eyes , smiled and said " You sure saved yourself some headaches didnt you " Followed with " dont know how you figured out how to do this but good job" I was shocked that he wasnt pissed. Anyways , for a total cost of the whole thing , It cost me right at 13 dollars to register it in alabama , then if i remember right , to get a ***le here in illinois it cost me 72 bucks and the whole process only took about 6 weeks , I didnt have to "SELL" my car to a bunch of suits out in a different state who i didnt know from adam and it cost a hell of a lot less. Little food for thought!
That is basically how Broadway ***le does it. They are in Alabama and for cars older than 1974 they can do a registration with only a bill of sale. for cars newer than 1974 through 199x? they use an affiliate in a different state that only requires a Bill of sale for cars up to that year. Apparently the rules for Alabama changed a little and went into effect yesterday maybe? on the 15th. The car has to be in Alabama for the state to do a physical check of the VIN on the car. At this point, it looks like Broadway is now using their affiliate in the other state to do all their cars that are 199X and earlier instead of doing anything in Alabama at all. So that is the reason for the higher price (the same price it costs if they do a later than 1974 car by using their affiliate). So, the car is not actually having to be in Alabama because they are apparently not doing it in Alabama any more at all, and the other state where their affiliate is located does not have that "car has to be here for a physical inspection" law yet. So, "the car has to be there physically", and they can do it still "without the car being there physically" can coexist peacefully in the same description again. lol
From the Broadway ***le Website: In Alabama, vehicles older than 1975 models (up through 1974) are transferred by a Bill of Sale & Tag Receipt only. For other vehicles after 1975, through 1992, we have an affiliate in another state and the same procedures apply. Therefore, we and our Licensed Dealers may legally buy a vehicle from you. All you need is to furnish us a copy of our completed application form. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]<SMALL>From that we can then obtain a registration for the vehicle in our name or that of our Affiliate Dealer. When we legally register the vehicle, we will sell it back to you, transferring the paperwork.</SMALL>[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]<SMALL>As the owner, you may then turn these papers in with a Bill of Sale from us and obtain a ***le in your state. </SMALL>[/FONT] This does not include the new law where the car has to physically be there, but you get the idea of the deal with alabama and the other state.
I see , i was not aware they were out of alabama. I guess the "Broadway" always made me think New york .
that is all well and good in some states... but not in all. minnesota and wisconsin will NOT honor a NY or AL registration... ask me how i know
I have a friend in AL, asked him if he would "Buy" a (pre 1975) car from me and get a tag receipt. Then I would like to "Buy" it back from him with a BOS. Upon going to DMV, they told him they could not give him a tag receipt without "Proof of Insurance". This apparently is a new law also. I would guess that Broadway ***le holds a Car Dealer License, and that is how they get around the insurance. Colorado requires a VIN inspection for any car out of state, and current registration. I have several (pre 1975) cars and motorcycles that have Alabama registration from 1992. Colorado DMV wants current registration. I explained that it would be impossible to do that be cause the car does not run, does not have insurance, and I no longer live in AL. It gets frustrating!! To top it all off I mailed off paperwork this MORNING to Broadway ***le for two ***les. Reading this is kind of a downer!!! I'm sure I'll get a call from them next week.
They do have a dealership, so I figure they get around a lot with that, but they do also require you provide a copy of your insurance covering the car that they are doing the ***le work on for you. The way I understand it, they will register it in their name (as a dealer) then basically sell it to you and complete your paperwork there (just like if you bought a car at a dealer in your own state locally) then they mail you the registration (registration because that state does not issue ***les for older cars) and some other paperwork that you can take to your DMV and get the registration transferred to your state. The guy that I talked to this morning said something that made me think that the ones they already have in hand will be taken care of, so maybe the law goes in effect at the end of the month, but he said they can't get any more done that would be sent in starting today. So maybe you will be ok since yours would have been post marked yesterday and they changed the forms on the web site today. They only have one downloadable form now instead of one for the pre-1974 cars and one for the after 1974 cars. They do not show pricing for the pre-1974 cars anymore. That is the reason I called them, to get the price and I learned all this.
thats too bad.. because it was worth the $150 to not have to deal with all the bureaucratic hoops at the local level
The alabama tag/ registration office personal will issue a 1 day ***le for auto with no insurance so we can sell our junk to out of state buyers.. must be a non vintage plate the cost is usally less than 35 dollars..The license director is a elected offical in each county. So with low voter turn out they dont want to piss of many people. Some alabimaians have large familys that stick together..So most of the tag personal are easy to get along with.. The biggest problem if you register to many cars they want you to buy a busisness licence and pay tax accordenly..
Sounds like they copied New York more or less. It's not hard to get plates on a car with no paperwork in New York, but you have to insure and put plates on it to get a registration. And it takes a few weeks for a transferrable to come back from them. I've heard Ohio also does not like NY registrations. The problem with them is you get a new one every time you renew, which was annually until around the mid-90s and they went to biannually (every other year) to save some overhead in processing renewals. So if a guy owned a car for 10 years, even if the car is gone, he might have 10 registrations for it... which then could be used to register 10 cars to the same serial number, particularly if either the state does not inspect the serial number like in New York (you provide a photo or etching), or if someone knows how to fudge that enough to fool an inspector. I suspect that you wouldn't be able to register two of the same car with the same serial number in New York, the computer would kick it out as a duplicate. But there's no cross-checking from state to state that I'm aware of. And I think a good percentage of the cars I run into in junkyards with no serial tag are that way as much because it used to be a royal pain in the *** to get a registration when one was lost, as because the tags came off on their own. When I tried to do one in 1990 every time we went to the DMV they had a new form we were supposed to sign here and notarize and take to the last owner and have signed and notarized and I finally gave up and just bought a junker with a registration and liberated the tags - only to have the damned truck start hammering a rod. But because of the paperwork duplication, I can see another state taking issue with like a 1961 NYS reg and wanting to do a serial inspection, but I can't understand why one state's proof of ownership isn't valid in another state as long as it all checks out. And I can't understand why they wouldn't like say a valid 2009 registration. But expecting logic in anything government does is like expecting to be able to reach up into the sky and grab the moon with one hand. Some states don't like Broadway ***le paperwork anyways, New Jersey is one I'm aware of. We sold a car to a guy from down there having no idea the ***-reaming he was in for to try to register it. I don't think the car had any paperwork going back the last three or four owners - my buddy traded a couple parts cars for this, and that guy had traded the last owner for it, and so on. So it was a pain in the *** to get it all straightened out. More signed and notarized do***ents to deal with.
About 2 months ago I sold 2 chevys 50 and 51 to a man in Willowick {sp} Ohio and he had no problem with the alabama paper work.
I was planning to use them to get a ***le for my gmc, it was abandoned when i got it. Guess I'll switch to plan B, the guy I got it from is a cop, and my aunt works in the ***le office at the courthouse, maybe i can do some kinda affadavit or something saying it's mine.
Barn find, you are correct about the vin inspection for any car coming in from out of state. However, a current registration is not needed. I've brought several cars in, including the one i'm working on now. All I had to do was get a vin inspection at my closest dealer, and give them the old, out of state ***le.
You have to go back to the genesis of the entire plot. Broadway, or any other ***le service for that matter, has never done anything for the customer that one couldn't do for himself with a little homework and legwork. Find out the requirements and just do it yourself.
Any state that does not honor registration from Alabama is in violation of Federal (U.S. Cons***utional) law. Edit: Of course, the Cons***utional protections don't mean much any more. (See - http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79225)
I have no idea about Minnesota, but that is not true about Wisconsin. I bought a 1937 Ford Coupe "***le" from a guy here on the HAMB and was entirely pissed off when it showed up in the mail and I discovered it was a registration card. I figured I was out my $200, but I went to the local DMV and tried it anyway. They didn't so much as question me, they even let me buy an envelope and stamp so I could get the old "***le" back in the mail once it was processed in Madison.
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