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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, Sep 7, 2020.

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  1. Tim
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    Lots of stuff like starters and carburetors were made by third party vendors. Though ford did make some carbs I think it was purely out of strategy. I’ve read that Henry while mostly vertically integrated would have up. To three seperate suppliers/ manufacturers to insulate against problems keeping him from hitting his goals.

    Though there is something to be said for not reinventing the wheel as well - pun intended ;)
     
  2. Six Ball
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    A lot of Henry's motivation was cutting costs often by getting around other people's patents the reason Fords had mechanical (cable) brakes until '39. But yes many many components were supplied by venders that is why they are called assembly plants. It makes sense that there are often just cosmetic differences. Ot is up to us to find them. :D Good work Joey! Even if someone else knew this you guys made a discovery.
     
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    Since Gemmer Manufacturing made the steering boxes for Ford, Dodge, Chrysler, Plymouth, Desoto, Nash, Hudson, etc, many parts do interchange between brands. So it is no surprise that the Hudson wheel fit the Ford shaft...which in reality was a Gemmer shaft.
     
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    @NealinCA you would know :cool:
     
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  5. Silva
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    Exciting moment in this cars metamorphosis! I'm looking forward to the next build updates.
    Thanks for taking us along for the ride...
     
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  6. 41 GMC K-18
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    Hey @J.Ukrop
    Hey Joey, first of all, super cool about the kick ass Hudson Steering wheel, it really is a very cool piece.

    There used to be a time in this country, when various car brands such as Nash and Hudson, etc, would commission the Unity corporation, famous for high quality lights and beautiful chrome housings and bezels, to make custom badges and escutcheons, to replace the UNITY escutcheon on the top of the light housing.

    How cool it would be, if you were able to find either a light with the Hudson escutcheon, or just the escutcheon itself, to compliment the very cool Hudson steering wheel!

    I am very impressed with all of your great progress so far!
    Thanks from Dennis.




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  7. denis4x4
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    The holy grail of Ford steering boxes are the ones from pre-war Chris-Craft boats. Seems Henry supplied Chris-Craft with Model A steering boxes along with a few other builders.
     
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    What's different between a regular Model A steering box and one supplied to Chris Craft?
     
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    Gemmer supplied Henry with steering boxes, as well as Chris Craft and others.
     
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    None..I had a 1942 Chris-Craft run about and the steering box was the same as the one that came in my A.
     
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    The starter armature in my 1940 International D40 Trick and my John Deere 420C (crawler) were the same Delco part. The old interchange books that wrecking yards hard were amazing!
     
  12. J.Ukrop
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    Thank you @NealinCA for the steering box insight and everyone for the continued support. Nothing major happening on the car right now. I'll be calling up Mac Van Pelt for steering box components next week, and then I'll be prepping the box for assembly.

    While I'm on here, I'd like to share a little bit of background about the column drop. For this car, I'm shooting for a mid-'50s look. For the past few months, I've been scouring the internet and my library for examples of how it was done back in the day. The other night, I pulled out my copy of Deuce, which was published by The Rodder's Journal and features the 75 most significant 1932 Fords of all time. Flipping through the pages, I realized that the majority of the cars built in the 1950s had aluminum column drops.

    This car being the way it is, I wanted a genuine Moon drop with the aluminum plaque. I searched high and low. Eventually I found a beefy homemade aluminum drop, but it was too contemporary. As a last-ditch attempt, I hopped on Facebook and posted in the Model A Hot Rod Builders group, explaining what I was looking for.

    Enter Keith Fox. Based out of Texas, Keith is a longtime hot rodder who campaigns an orange Model A Gasser.
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    Here's a little bit of backstory about the drop, directly from Keith. " I bought that 15 years ago for my '30 A bone gasser and then didn't use it. It was new old stock sitting in someone else's toolbox IN California. Now it will finally be used." IMG_3939.jpg
    I plan to clean it up a little. But don't worry. Give it a couple of nights in the San Francisco fog and it'll be right back to where it is. I'm just excited that it's on my car.
     
  13. J.Ukrop
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    Random garage and driveway shots in case we forgot what we were working on. IMG_3977.jpg
    Oh, did I mention that I bought the paint for the car?
     
  14. Tim
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    What a tease haha.
     
  15. Outback
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    Is that so! ;)

    Great photos too by the way! :cool:
     
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    Need we ask?
     
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    Frosted Pink Metallic
     
  18. I've managed to destroy 2 DA sanding pads this week on a 40 chevy, so I'm pretty much an expert now.

    Ill be over next weekend o_O;)
     
  19. RodStRace
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    You should remove the trim before you start on the DA!:eek:
     
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    Age gets them also especially the foam ones
     
  21. One was old, one was new. Trim removed. Both separated from the metal portion
     
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    Pad may have been new to you but may have had a lot of shelf life on it. They are concidered consumable’s also the heat generated by extended use degrades them. Did body work for over 60 years had a lot fail.
     
  23. J.Ukrop
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    Don't worry, I'm still here. It's been a busy couple of weeks here at the house. One of our roommates moved out, and we have a new one who will hopefully make his way into this story soon. Gen is also here from the East Coast, so we've been having a great time catching up and covering lots of miles all around the Bay. IMG_0012.jpg
    Era-correct photography in an era-correct uniform.
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    Exploring Sonoma's Mission.
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    Feat. cacti
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    And relatable placards.
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    Plus, a Model A sighting in downtown Sonoma!
     
  24. J.Ukrop
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    You never know what you'll find out on the road.
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    Or in your own front yard. This last shot, taken from my neighbor's deck, is a glimpse into the beauty of San Francisco summer.
     
  25. J.Ukrop
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    So, back in the garage, I started playing around with the pitman arm. I have a new, adjustable drag link and ball joints en route from @Dennis Lacy. According to USPS, they'll be here this weekend.
     
  26. J.Ukrop
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    As I was sifting through my files, I came across some 35mm film shots that Yama took during the big A-V8 conversion. I'd like to do something more with them at a later date (i.e. put them in an article), but some of them will be right at home on this thread.
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    I love this shot of @six5monster's roadster. The light and long shadows really make it.
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    The first look of the car on the new chassis. Note David's roadster peeking through the door.
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    That weekend was an absolute whirlwind. I remember so much of it was climbing in and out of the car, contorting my body around the bracing. Max, my physical therapist, would have been proud!
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    This shot speaks for itself. David, me, and my A-V8.
     
  27. Tim
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    Good update, your photos always have such a great tone to them. Looking forward to future progress updates :)
     
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  28. 41 GMC K-18
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    Hey @J.Ukrop
    The very cool vintage NIKON F1 metal bodied, 35 MM film camera, indicates that you are still linked to the past and the high quality tools of the trade!
    Most impressive indeed!
     
  29. Joey, every time I see the King Bee headlights on your car it makes me smile. I am proud and happy to be part of your roadster.
     

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