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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by J.Ukrop, Sep 7, 2020.

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  1. J.Ukrop
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    Thank you, @jnaki. Looks like you had a great pad that would be right in style today. It's funny that you mentioned sitting on the floor. I had my friend Blue over the other day, and we sat on the floor and hung out with the garage door open. It's hard to beat being surrounded with good friends, vintage cars, and bikes. It makes that portion of the garage really feel like an extension of the house.

    Hahahah hey, whatever works, right? Figured it was better than having that piece sitting around.

    Good to know for my next internet search!
     
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    That's one I'll have to submit to memory. Thanks!

    Who's to say that I didn't buy it for my next project?

    Spoiler. I didn't. From what I can tell, it was complete but needed an overhaul. Maybe that'll be the subject of my next build thread: Building My First 356 in San Francisco.
     
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    This weekend was not a productive one for the project, but it was from a journalism standpoint. I spent a very full day flying to LA and back to shoot a special car for an upcoming issue of DicE Magazine. Details to come.

    Before I sign off for the night, I wanted to share a very neat photo that Randy, a new neighbor of mine, took with his Leica the other day.
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    It captures the essence of my project and my new street. That's Golden Gate Park off in the distance.
     
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    Man that one gets framed!
     
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    Looking good young gun!
     
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    Yes for sure!

    Thank you! Soon it'll be cruising with Susie the Blue Roadster!
     
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    I was able to get a few minutes down in the garage tonight.
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    That meant I could bend and flare my final piece of fuel line. I'm still dialing in the mounting points and insulation (nothing has been tightened down yet), but this will be the general approach. It'll connect to the electric fuel pump on the frame rail via a rubber segment.

    You'll note that I'm using modern-style hose clamps on the top portion. Does anyone have a pair of vintage 5/16 hose clamps they would be willing to sell me?

    That's it for tonight. More soon!
     
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    Joey, a small suggestion. I see it going straight from the 90 degree at the body to the pickup. I'd want a line bend between those ends so the hose will flex, rather than the straight shot compress and extend. It's probably fine, but doesn't look like how things are done.
     
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    Is that fuel line Nicop or copper? If copper, either it will vibrate against the tank and break or eventually split. I would use steel or Nicop to prevent future failure or disaster.
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    I believe he's using Nicop. He was warned early on. ;) Good eye, though.
     
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    Hi, it is NiCopp as most recently stated in post 4934. I may be a new builder, but I know better than to use copper. Thanks.
     
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    It might be further away from the tank than it appears in the photos. But good catch guys :)
     
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    I was thinking that the lines were 'roughed in' and the final adjustments were going to be made....Joey is documenting the build process for us folks as he progresses.... thank you Joey
    as for gear type hose clamps.....all the way back to the early 1920's that they found their way into use and patented in the late 1800's plus, I always give myself leeway on safety and performance related applications wanting assurance something is affixed securely.....some of the worst dates I had were with ones that had the 'looks' but not the .....never mind
     
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    @winduptoy

    yeah I’ve seen guys just change the screw for an era correct one. But I know how it can be when you’ve got a picture in your head and that’s what it’s gotta be :)
     
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    I have run miles, well maybe not miles, of copper fuel line and NEVER had an issue. I know others have and they can be serious. I don't use it anymore but was the standard with manufactures for years. I understand the problems just saying. Lots of people will not use the glass sediment bowls so common years ago.
     
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    Agree with you guys......absolutely nothing wrong with the gear type clamps historically or otherwise. That being said, if you're looking at something that looks similar to the old solid clamps and is dependable as the gear type, I use SS fuel injection clamps. They're 20 bucks a dozen on Amazon.
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    And, the FI clamps won't loosen or leak if properly installed.
     
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    Thank you everyone for the thoughtful replies and insights. @winduptoy nailed it that I was posting pictures of a work in progress, and I ended up taking @RodStRace's advice and adding another bend to the pickup line. IMG_2225.jpeg
    I'm going to refine my rubber insulator, but this will eliminate any metal-on-metal interactions.
     
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    Really clean setup, Joe. Any tips on running the vent line, other than making it higher than the fuel filler? Also, I really like that in-line petcock idea. Do you use it every time you park the car?
     
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    I do like the fuel-injection clamp idea, too. I was running those back in the early days of this thread. Maybe it's time to bring them back. IMG_3848.jpg
     
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    Hey Joey,
    My vent line starts off about an inch higher than the fill tube (hard to tell with the angle of the pic) and it's double looped and tucked up under the quarter panel. Then down thru the pan with a 90 that leaves it parallel under the pan floor....with a carbon impregnated filter.
    I shut the petcock off if I leave the car for an extended period.....just a CYA because I have my battery dis-connect on the dash - not to hard to figure out.
    You're killin this build man.
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    I better get working!
     
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    Hey Joey, Build is looking great, man! Can't wait to see it on the road.

    If I remember correctly, you're putting the fill cap on the tulip panel above the tank? I'm planning to do the same. If you don't plan to use a vented cap, I think you need to either get the vent above that fill cap, or a loop of fuel line above that cap, which would be above the body, right? Not sure how people solve this.
     
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    My sister lives on 21st between Fulton and Balboa. Maybe your neighbors.
     
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    The girl next door?:rolleyes:
     
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    Thank you, Joe. This is very helpful! I might have to borrow a couple of ideas.

    Yes we are! Swing by my garage next time you're visiting.
     
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    Thank you so much—you and me both. Right now I do have a vented cap off a vintage motorcycle, but I may also have to get creative.
     
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    Not a ton to report on the car front, other than I've been thinking about it a lot. Yama is coming by later this week to help give the brake bleed another shot, and I'll be dropping my left rear wheel off at the tire shop on Friday to move the weights from the outside to the inside.
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    I also officially moved out of my garage at 31st and Clement. It was a great space—a port in a storm and an outer Richmond hideaway. 000200900002.jpg There were plenty of good times here, but I most closely associate it with the deconstruction of the 'banger car. Here's a snapshot of me doing my best Dick Kraft impression. Looks kind of like "The Bug," doesn't it? These B&W film
    shots are from Yama's girlfriend, Nic.
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    That's all for tonight. I'll likely have some reportage on my Texas travels soon.
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    And on Wednesday, we're back in the (new) garage. Later!
     
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    Hey fellas....you might want to look at this. It's an "in tank" rollover vent valve. You mount it in the top of your tank. It has a steel ball that sits below the tube vent hole that's the roll over.....and a plastic ball that floats with fuel to block the vent for over fill and splash....and pulls down if there's vacuum on the tank....other wise sits below the vent hole too. That's a very crude explanation but you can contact Tanks Inc. and get the exact facts. They come in 1/4" & 3/8".
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