Hot Rods CA Title/Registration Question for Old Fords

How does CA treat transfer of out of state ***le for an original old Ford that has been registered as a 1932 since its birth but has an non original frame under it that has not be restenciled ? Will they refuse to register as an antique ? Will they allow a body tag ?
Will they even inspect before re-registering ? I know they are whuppin **** on gl*** new built cars but need to know how you original car guys are dealt with at dmv.
thank you

 

Much easier to just move to another state!

 

It has to have the vin stamped in the proper locations on the frame. Or they will issue a ***igned vin# that depreciates the value.

 

I would contact a ***le service here in CA. Let them do all the leg work for you. seriously.

 

Contact CARS in temecula ca

 

There is no "inspection" per se, as in safety inspection, lights, bumpers, etc.

It will require a VIN (aka: serial number) inspection, either by a DMV official, or a CHP officer.

You absolutely want to avoid dealing with CHP. They have a long wait, don't want to do it, and seem to be bent on giving you a hard time. It is their discretion what they look at. If they don't like something on your car, you might have to "fix" it, with no legal avenue not to.

They will NOT allow a body tag. It has to be an original serial number stamping, in the proper location, and yes, a lot of CHP inspectors know exactly what they are looking for, and at.

If you do not have a factory stamped serial number, it will have to get a blue tag (state issued VIN), as a specially constructed vehicle (SCV).

Or, you can have a state licensed vehicle inspector verify that the number is correct, and that it matches the supporting do***ents.

You absolutely do not want to register it as an antique. Just get regular registration.

Do you currently have a ***le for said vehicle?

No, it is not. When is the most recent time that you lived here?

 

Has legit Iowa ***le since it was born, legit complete steel car.
Had repro frame with IRS installed by builder, typical 90's trendy bling
Current elderly owner has no idea if frame is stamped nor are they capable of looking
Can get AZ ***le without inspection of car
Can buyer get CA ***le as legit 32 ford or will it be a builder/blue tag (kills the value imo)

 

Boyd something-or-other used to have a crew that covered all the antique registrations at the first of the fiscal year...
DMV found a 'chink' in Boyd's armor.
Now just try for an antique reg., not a good idea...

 

According to a VIN verification company in the Bay Area, as of October 2016 any out of state vehicles no matter what year of manufacture, must have the VIN stamped in two locations.

 

Original locations or ????????
Ideally they could be stamped somewhere you could read them without removing the body.

 

Probably never. California bashing by those from somewhere else who have never even so much as changed planes here seems to be the trendy thing to do nowadays.

 

You might try and find an original '32 frame with a clean ***le. That may be easier than dealing with Calif DMV. I've registered some out of state vehicles before and always used a private VIN verification company. They seem to know more about these kinds of things better than the DMV.

 

No idea... but, typically these numbers need to be in stock locations...
I am putting the VIN above the steering box since Ive got no space to do it elsewhere. Its a real ***** stamping the rail of a full fendered 40's car... ended up using magnets to hold the stamp in place 90* while I hit it with an 3/8 extension and BFH. Results are OK... should be good enough for verification.

From Van Pelt's site
http://www.vanpeltsales.com/FH_web/flathead_serialnumbers.htm

I talked to these guys since they are Bay Area and come to the cars location... http://www.asapvehicleverifiers.com/VV2Prices.html
Scroll down to about halfway:

 

Not a problem. If the car is currently registered in another state as a 32, it is still a 32 in Ca. There must be a vin plate somewhere that was legit for the state it was registered in. I've never had a problem with CA in that respect.
I registered a gl*** 32 from AZ to CA that had an ***igned AZ vin plate. The CA registration now shows it with regular ***le as a 32.

 

Where in CA are you going to?

 

That is skirting the edge of the law. If there is a dispute between you and an inspector over the validity of those stampings, the inspector's decision wins, and you lose the car (at the very least).

 

A problem may arise if for any reason the frame that came out from under it was used in another build.

I am not sure I understand the possession chain. It has an Iowa ***le, but you have it in Arizona?

Or, it's in Iowa, and you are trying to get it into Arizona, via California?

 

This is true, no argument there.

 

Sounds to me like you are trying to skirt the law somehow.
Do you have the pink for the frame? Is the frame without
legal problems? Is the frame numbered, as in original?
I really hate that some people try to find a way around the law
for some advantage, like money?
If what you are trying to do is on the "up & up", then I would
find out if the frame number isn't being used on another car.
If the frame has numbers at all?

 

Crimial has it. I bought my 56 in Az. And registered there even with a Cal address. In 3 months I transferred to Ca at a AAA office. They did need to see the tag on the door post but did not know where to look, I had to show them. There needs to be something to see. By the way my transfer need no tax $$$.

 

If anyone wants to get into a morality debate about CA bureaucracy I'll excuse myself from the conversation. In fact, if it makes folks comfortable I can remove my son of a ***** suggestions.

 

It's not a morality issue. It is a self-preservation issue.

If someone got caught doing something illegal, lost a car, and had to do a little jail time, that's on them, in a vacuum.

The trouble is, we don't live in a vacuum. Getting caught would **** for the person getting caught, but it could also **** for the rest of us. If the authorities suspect that those pesky "car people" (and yeah, we're all the same to them) are up-to-no-good, we could very easily and quickly see a whole mess more laws and regulations forced down on our hobby (or in some cases, livelihood).

Remember when they cracked down on bikes? We could see that too, except it would not be a roadside inspection, as many of our serial numbers are under the body. That means impound, and someone else dismantling your car, every time the cops feel like it.

How many of us have the receipt for every single part that we have on our cars? How would we prove the provenance of some part that we made? How many of us could afford to lose a vehicle? How many of us have the time to go to prison for a bit? How many of us could lose our professions permanently if that happened?

I, for one, would literally lose my security clearance, and my ability to be an engineer, forever.

There is a right way, and a wrong way to do this. Don't paint yourself into a corner. Someone just might notice.

 

gimpy, Im not sure I agree with your sentiments 100%... but we are both en***led to our opinions. The fact we modify cars with equipment that didnt come from the factory and ***ling it as a "1930 whatever" IS illegal too.
I believe damage was done when CA DMV created a rule in 2016 requiring two VIN's on a car no matter how old it is... I fail to see the logic in that.
My car is a complete and legit vehicle with out of state ***le (reg expired about 5 years ago), its vin was pulled from the trans case, which is early Ford and correct. The frame is PITTED because it is original to the rusty **** box of a car... no numbers on rail survived from the factory. Regardless, since I brought the car in from out of state it now requires VIN verification at two locations. I am talking pre-war cars here... not a late model or a new hot rod. Mine is basically restored... actually a better term is "freshened up", its just a polished turd.

Everyone in a similar situation is free to make their own decisions. If someone has a legal work around Im all ears...

 

Thanks, that what I wanted to know. Appreciate the response.

 

Avoid the DMV altogether and just contact a registration service. Some here on HAMB can make recommendations.

 

CARS in Temecula was recommended.

 

I am waiting out the "up to 120-days" it takes to be licensed as a verifier.

It's like watching paint dry....

 

not to get too far off topic, but how do you wind up with a VIN stamped in two places on a car that didn't have it in two places originally? i'll stick to using my ***le service, thank you very much.

 

Mitch - "bureaucracy"