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Discussion in 'Traditional Hot Rods' started by 38FLATTIE, Feb 7, 2009.

  1. keeper
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    Again this is a bit off topic, but what are you guys doing about the intake / exhaust clamps. Are you making your own, can't imagine you would have the intake and heads posted above with some pitted out clamps.

    Here is what I have, as you can see by the top example the set I have is pretty rough. The middle example is using a wire brush, while the bottom example is wire brush then sanding the pits away, still a ways to go but I was hoping for a better direction. I might just try to machine something up myself.


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  3. keeper
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    The water jacket on your engine is crazy, what does it hook up to. I would love to see it with one of those panels off. WOW 38 bolts holding those on!!

    And I see
    -you cut down the weights on the crank shaft.
    -Domed pistons

    There is some really crazy stuff going on there. You are doing a lot similar to what I want to do with my build even down to the friction shocks. Cool, tell us more.
     
  4. 38FLATTIE
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    Keeper- i'm polishing my clamps, and having them coated to match the exhaust- kind of a ceramic chrome stuff.

    I believe i read that aaron's motor was built in the 50's, and has a record on the salt flats. A lot of really radicall work done there.if i'm wrong, i'll be corrected shortly- either way we'll know the story!
     
  5. TraderJack
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    On my flattie Cad the intake manifold was a home built tube with a 3 inch center tube with the necessary port runners fitted with individual flanges. Had 2 97's on it and never had any problems with it!

    almost like a Crower tube kit, but it was before Crower came along.



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  6. keeper
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    any pics?
     
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    too long ago


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    It has extra studs in the heads tooo.. they trimmed off the side motor mounts too.

    also my distributor sits in the middle. which is different from alot I have saw

    aaron
     
  9. 38FLATTIE
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    One thing that came to my mind was the domed pistons. They upped the compression, then added a blower.

    Solid lifters? Bigger valves? Gear drive timing would be cool, or does it have that too?

    Dammit! Now i think i need a blower, and another solid lifter cam. This thread is going to cost me...
     
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  10. RilleCustoms
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    Rille Cadillac lifter adjusters .........to convert hydro lifters to solid ...... "adjustable lifters" for flathead cadillac's !!!!
    More pics and info will be coming soon , other flathead cadillac speed parts are in the works also , keep you posted ..... Steve
     

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  11. fiftyv8
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    Nice work Steve, you sure dont take your time. Keep us posted as this is a great option for a lot of the guys out there.

    I am still in shock over that distrubtor gear and oil pump rotor prices
    $1250
     
  12. RilleCustoms
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    I am working on other goodies as well for these engines ...... but most of all I am going to be doing 3 engines for myself . 1st one is going to be a mild old sckool build , dual carbs ,solid lifters+cam, cyclone heads , mallory distrib and a mild port and balance .. The 2nd is going to be with alot of my own one off parts ,solid lifters+big lift cam and full injected ....... and the 3rd and last will be full blown and injected !...... my own injection, heads and blower drive . For valve train it will be full roller with 2.19 intakes and 1.72 ex and gear drive , as for the bottom end ... that will be totally gone through with all the tricks , and that will be going in a bellytank I have been working on as well ..... and sorry the best part there will be no pics untill Im close , well maybe sneek peak or 2 but thats it ! ........Thanks to those nae sayers ..... I love it when people tell me you cant do that ! ...Really ! Well I guess its my job to see how fast a boat anchor can go !!!!... I cant wait to kick some serious ass with a flatty Cadillac in a bellytank !!!........ Steve
     
  13. keeper
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    Sounds fun, wish I had the budget and know-how you do, I can't wait to watch everything develop. If we don't bug you with "It's not possible" will you post more pics?
     
  14. 38FLATTIE
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    Steve, i'll take a set of those lifters.

    I'd like to hear more about the gear drives. any pics? are you going to market them- c'mon man, details!
     
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    I know I have Some NOS bronze distributor gears sitting at my shop.

    Did anyone need them?? Or did I misunderstand what you are needing.

    also I have some really nice Bosch Distributors that I modified to run.

    But they are all in storage.

    I am hoping to get to them in the next couple months

    aaron
     
  16. 38FLATTIE
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    Aaron,

    i could use a distributor gear. Are the bosch electronic? Isf so, i'd be interested in one of those also.
     
  17. keeper
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    I would be interested int he distributor and a bronze gear, I will send you a pm.
     
  18. keeper
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    wow beat me by a few seconds
     
  19. 38FLATTIE
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    Lol! Kevin, it's a good thing it wasn't a contest!


    Aaron, fill us in on the bosch. I'm sure everyone is curious.
     
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  20. SAVAGE
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    Man wanted to keep these under wraps..

    but maybe you will like them

    Leonard Atomic Flash
    spark plugs for my Cad engine

    Aaron von minden
     

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  21. 38FLATTIE
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    wow! i've never seen those. Do they throw more spark, or what's the deal? I think we may need a little more info, now that the cat is out of the bag
     
  22. keeper
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    Arron,

    I love that second shot, with that beast of an engine peaking out of the wheel well.
     
  23. 38FLATTIE
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    I've found two different types of hydraulic lifter in these motors. Are the more designs, or just the two? The first two pics are of the earlier design(I think). The last two pics are of lifters out of a 1948 motor.

    Can anyone speak as to which one may be better, pros and cons, etc.? Are these both stock setups, or was one changed at some point?

    Steve, when are you going to be ready to take our money for the solids?
     

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  24. fiftyv8
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    I only know of two types, one is shorter than the other and from what I remember they sell a spacer in a kit from Egge to rebuild them or something like that.
     
  25. keeper
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    I have the first kind and my engine is a 47'.
     
  26. 38FLATTIE
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    They are both the same length, when assembled.The housings on both are the same length, but the lifter bodies themselves are different,as evidenced in the pics.

    I can't find any answers in print. A gentleman here, who is in his 80's, thinks he remembers it was a 1948 only design, but he's not positive.

    I'd like to know if they are stock, and what benifits can be derived from using them, if any.
     
  27. RilleCustoms
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    Hi guys , as for hydro lifters ..... there is 3 diffrent ones , there is a earlystyle ....(mid) late style and at the end of 48 they came out with one more design which seemed to fix the leak down problem they where having with these types of lifters.......... but now are really hard to find and big bucks .....And as for a diffrence in height , Yes there is !... the early style is slightly shorter that the late style and the oiling band around the lifter is in a diffrent placement and the oiling hole is smaller on the early style + the plungers are diffrent and dont interchange because it will really screw up the height of the lifter . When I get a new camra I will find some and post clear pics ........... and yes I am working as fast as I can , just got the tooling to make those solid lifter convertion kits , to those who need them .........Steve
     
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  28. RilleCustoms
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    The ones in the last pics are the ones that they came out in the end of 48 (new design)..... with the little clip and no spring in the top. The ones in the other pic would be late style hydro's , the ones with the spring in the top (secound generation)........the only problem with these lifters is that they were prone to leak down if not working right or pump up and float at high rpm's ..... so thats why thompson came up with that kit to make them solid and fix those plaging problems.......Steve
     
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  29. 38FLATTIE
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    Steve, thanks again.

    So the late '48's are the best of the hydraulics, and the most desirable. That's good to know.

    With just a spring clip holding them together, it would be a very easy conversion to solids......
     
  30. RilleCustoms
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    Prity much all the lifter bodys are all the same ! ... its the guts of the lifter that are diffrent ...... but like I said before..... they were prone to leakdown problems and pumping up at high rpm's , even the new style at the end of 48 (all the hydo lifters) they work but you are limited and prone to probs later ........thats why solid covertion............
     

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