California "green rod"-new legislature

All of that's true for California and my '34, too, except for the no mufflers part. I'd have mufflers even if they weren't required.

 

What is with the constant bashing of California? Are you folks that hard up looking for someone else to blame for your own personal shortcomings?
I have no idea where you are getting your non-facts from, but you are incorrect on every single issue mentioned. Why not spend your time on doing something constructive to your car, as opposed to badmouthing someone else's home? Perhaps you'd feel better about yourself and others if you kept your nose out of other peoples business.

 

I think we should smog check every government aircraft that lands on a Cailf. runway. Then we can charge them a fine to get off the plane. That will make them late for their golf game.

 

THAT is probably the smartest thing I have heard anyone say in a long time, well said!

 

I have no shortcomings. And I didn't put my nose in someone else's business. Somebody posted this on an internet message board bitching about how bad it is in California.

And as to me being wrong, well plain and simple, you're wrong. Do you or do you not have to get your vehicles inspected for safety equipment and emmissions in California? I do not in North Carolina. Do you or do you not have to have mufflers in California? I do not in North Carolina. Is there or is there not CARB Resource Board approved parts that have to be installed on vehicles that want to have aftermarket parts? I can put whatever the fuck I feel like on my cars. What happens in California if your vehicle is found by CHP to have aftermarket parts that do not display the CARB Resource Board approval number with the paperwork to back it up? In NC, the only CARB we have sits on top of the intake manifold. Do you or do you not have an Assault Weapons Ban in California? There is no such thing in North Carolina. Can you go out and buy a newly manufactured AR type rifle in California? I can. Can you go out and buy any kind of gun and walk out of the store with your purchase at the same time? I can. Can you legally carry a concealed weapon to protect yourself and your family from violent criminals? I can. I've got a pistol in my pocket right now.

Now show me again where I was wrong. You guys in California have had your freedoms taken away in the name of "progressiveness" for so long you forgot what it was like to be free. And I'm wrong? Like I said before, enjoy your paradise.

You California guys keep fooling yourselves that you don't have it so bad if you like. I've said my piece. I feel bad for you guys, I really do. I wish your state government would allow you to enjoy the same freedoms that we in other parts of the country get to enjoy.

 

I don't think CA has safety inspections.

 

The only way to handle this is when you vote in the next state election vote the entire existing legislative body out of office and start over again. They really only care about being re-elected and staying on the gravy train! That will make the next people in office think they might want to do what he the voters want and not some corporate entity. Remember we hold the power as long as their is a free voting system in place. Same goes for the corporations. If we the people stop buying their product or at least sacrafice and cut way back, the'll scramble and lower prices just to get back up to a profitable pace. Remember when prices went down in the 90's. We hold the power, we just have to pay attention and use it!!!!

 

No emmissions tests. No safety inspections. Approved CARB parts? Another negative. I personally do NOT have to deal with any of those things on my cars. Would you like me to continue to prove you wrong?
As far as the mufflers, assault weapons, and whatever else you're whining about...I'm not going to continue to attempt to argue with someone who is clueless.

 

SEMA has been fighting this fight since the early sixties. You obviously have little or no knowledge of how SEMA really works. Read the post by thebigdaddyo again.

 

"HORSE SHIT", said the daddy sparrow to the flock, "LET'S EAT!"

 

OK, you didn't read my earlier post. I'll try again.
We do not have safety inspections. We do have muffler laws. No big deal, I would run them anyways. I can put whatever we want to as far as aftermarket stuff on my car, which is registered as a 1934 Ford. The smog and emission laws DO NOT apply to me. Never have.
All I do is get my annual license tag and that is all. No inspections, no nothing!. So, it is no big deal. Facts are facts, as this is whats happening in California. I've been driving hot rods here since 1966, 44 years, and the last time I was pulled over by a cop in California was in the late 1960's because I was driving like an ass. No ticket, just a good earfull of what an idiot I was.
As far as the guns stuff goes, thats for another web board.
All I know is that it's going to be 75 degrees again today with blue skies and I'll be driving my '34 today to run my errands, just like I did yesterday.

 

I'm not usually one to argue, but according to the CA DMV, you have to have vehicles newer than 1975 smogged. Not so in NC. You must have CARB approved parts in CA if you modify newer vehicles or risk being ticketed or have your vehicle towed. Again, not so in NC. You CANNOT enjoy the same God given rights under the second ammendment of the Constitution of the United States in California that I can in NC. Unless you're a V.I.P. (Very Important Politician) like Nancy Pelosi (who is allowed to carry concealed weapons while you as a regular citizen (subject) are not). Please, pretty please, continue to prove me wrong. You are the one that is clueless. This argument is retarded. You can't even buy and keep as pets the same fish that I can in NC because CA and smelly hippies thinks they are "dangerous". That kind of government intrusion into my life is something I do not need. Like I said before, enojy your utopia!

Please continue on with the discussion of this new legislation which will surely pass for the good of all and accept my apologies for getting this conversation off track. And we in the rest of the country will get really great deals on vehicles that can't be registered in CA in a year or two.

 

Whoa! 1975?...1975? this is a hot rod website, God quit making hot rods waaaaay before then. Lets keep it relevant to the concerns of the HAMB-Nation...

 

Just drop it Terd. You are wrong. Wherever you are getting your info, is incorrect. PM me and I'll send you my address. You can come out here, stay with me, and I'll show you how wrong you are. NO safety inspections, NO smog, NO CARB approvals on ANY vehicle that I currently own. What part of that do you not understand?

 

Just for the record, NC has muffler laws.

 

Is that some kind of veiled threat? Or are you hitting on me? Don't worry, I won't be coming to California any time soon. They won't let me bring my guns. And I got my info from the California DMV website. What I posted is correct in every way. Just because it doesn't apply to you (or the tiny percentage of people in CA who don't own ANY vehicles newer than 1975) doesn't make it not true. You may not see it this way, but the rest of the country views California as the nanny state, a place where the government knows better than it's citizens how you should live your life. Perception is reality.

Now please, pretty please, let's move this discussion back to bitching about how you'll no longer be able to build your own car from scratch in California soon.

 

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The emissions laws are nothing new. These have been on the books for 40 years. Some states have safety inspections and some don't. This isn't a gun board, so who cares.

Per the O/P's SEMA post, this only really effects guys who either didn't pay their taxes or are building a car from nothing but new aftermarket parts. I don't really see the problem as it relates to this board unless the car is built from scratch using a Brookville body and an aftermarket frame.

 

Can you please send me the info on these "safety inspections" that you claim we are required to have, and you continue to claim as factual? I've lived in California for over fifty years and this is the first I've ever heard of them. Thanks in advance.

 

As stated earlier, I do not need a smog device on my hot rod. As far as post-75 cars go, those cars don't have anything to do with the HAMB, but just for the sake of clarification, I grew up in the same three mile radius that I live in today. In the mid-1950's we couldn't see the mountain range just to our north, especially in the summer months because the smog was so bad. Many days we couldn't go out for recess at school because the smog was so bad. Now, we can almost always see the mountains and you never hear the weatherman use the term..smog alert...anymore. That's progress, if you ask me. Whats so terribly wrong with having clean air for us to breath?
The air quality has very much improved, even with more cars on the road.
Clean air...for me, someone who has asthma, its a blessing.
Just don't make me put the smog devices on my '34, and all is well...

 

Just another mention regarding smog checks. Many cities outside of CA have smog checks. Detroit had them for over 10 years as part of a clean up program because of the air quality at the time. It cleaned the air (along with other parts of the program) and now smog checks are not required.

This was also true of the Tampa area (before I moved here). I don't think NC has ever been considered a big 'industrialized' state. NC has their own strange laws, and bikers have to wear helmets there, while they don't in FL. You can attack every state in the union regarding certain laws if you want to. The laws passed in CA give us a chance to watch for the same stuff in other states.

 

Look, there are no emmissions laws or testing for any vehicle newer than 1995. And it changes each year. A vehicle 15 years old or older is exempt from emisions testing. It's as simple as that. As far as safety inspections, have you ever been pulled over in FL for your vehicle being too low? I doubt it. How about you're driving your newer model street/drag vehicle to the track? All your mods better have that CARB approval number in CA or you're getting towed.

I keep hearing MY vehicle doesn't get smogged, why should I worry. It's incremental. And I know this isn't a gun board, but the CA guys could take a clue from things gun owners have already been through. It's baby steps until you have no rights left anymore. If they tried to take it all away at once, nobody would stand for it. That's why they do it in baby steps, like this new registration/compliance/amnesty nonsense. It totally mirrors the restrictive gun laws being passed out there, each year more restrictive. And SEMA seems to be holding hands with the .gov all the while pretending to fight it (kind of like the NRA). They (SEMA) will make "concessions" for the greater good at the same time telling you "it's not THAT bad, you should've seen what the .gov REALLY wanted to pass". Meanwhile these "concessions" slowly erode freedoms.

 

I hear you and I understand where you're coming from. But why is California the only state with such a terrible smog problem? The state with the most restrictive vehicle emissions laws has the worst pollution problem. The same state with the most restrictive gun laws has the most gun violence. I'm glad your air quality is better. I do find it ironic that you say smog devices are A OK, unless they want them on your '34.

For the record, I don't want you guys to think I'm running down your home, that is, California. I love California and all you guys who live there. I'm running down your government and politicians. Please don't misunderstand me. I hate to see politicians over-legislate how one should live their life when it comes to things like guns and cars, two of my passions.

 

Guess what? Dalton's gang is coming after us too.

 

Do you have personal, first-hand knowledge of someone being "towed" in California from the scenario you described? I'd sure like to hear about it, as I'm certain others on here would, as well.

 

Interesting how their choice of engine is a "Government Motors" crate motor, coincidence??

 

As a matter of fact, somebody started a "warning" thread a few days ago about CHP hitting some interstate highway hard with roll backs literally lined up towing cars in violation. I'm sure a lot of guys in this thread saw it and know what I'm talking about.

 

Are there a lot of black helicopters hovering over your house, also?

 

This topic has been hashed out before.

Let's not forget that the new California rules only apply to.....

"vehicle owners that have knowingly made any false statement or knowingly concealed any material fact in any document filed with the DMV or the California Highway Patrol".

In other words, if you commited fraud, you just got caught. Fraud has alway been illegal in California.

The attitude of "any new rules in Califorina is cause to riot" is laughable.

Mike

 

LOL.

If you can build and drive a car as beautiful as yours in California, your state looks just fine to me!

 

yes.

go read up on calguns.net