California - order your auto paint now!

if you're concerned about waterborne fade...as stated...look at production vehicles that have been painted in the last 10 years. not the peel and eat **** that gm and chrysler put out in the 80's but the late model stuff.

a call to jerry seivers would probably quell alot of your fears. he shoots cubic yardage of the stuff with confidence.

iwata already makes a 'water gun'. so does everyone else. 1.2mm stainless.

i've been shooting water paint exclusively for about 3 years and i love it. wash your gun out in the sink...check. super low VOC. super low skin contamination or vapor inhalation risk...check. no pesky 'windows'..check. nearly impossible to screw up if you simply follow directions...check.


yep its terrible stuff and eveyone should move to montana.

 

Didn't a lot of the addhesion problem with the early water based paint had have more to do with the factories using galvanized steel?

 

Mitch it is past your bed time!
I switched to water based varnish years ago on my tiki stuff. Love it, and recoat times are quick. It is better for the enviro and my health. I started to get headaches and a red rash on my nose from the old stuff. Not good.

 

rash...from the varnish...right....

 

HA HA HA! No sh-t! Obama isn't in the paint biz!
He and all his sweet buddies ARE in the TAX BIZ though and the free ride on Internet sales without sales taxes isn't going to last much longer.
They have to finance the free lunches, schooling, medical care, low-interest home loans and other goodies for the world of illegal aliens we now have and will continue to have in waves after waves pouring across our borders over the next 4 years and beyond.
In case you're thinking about what a prejudiced sack of **** I am, be advised I'd ship back to their point of origin ANY BODY from ANYWHERE (brown-eyed, blue-eyed, hazel-eyed,pink-eyed, white-skinned, brown-skinned, black-skinned, yellow-skinned, red-skinned or albino, red-haired, blonde-haired, black-haired, brown-haired, shaved-headed, or bald-headed) who came here illegally or overstayed a visa of any kind for any reason from anywhere whether they have fathered or given birth to one or a dozen babies while on US soil AND FURTHER would photo, fingerprint, and DNA-print every one of them and ban them from EVER having the chance to return legally at any future time AND if caught again here, well don't ever go there.

 

Left in '94 and haven't regretted it at all. Arizona is catching up though. Left there in 06 and haven't regretted it either, except for payscale. I now have the luxury of no smog inspections at all. Love it!

 

Whether oil based or water based, fading has more to do with the pigments used in the paint rather than the medium it is a part of.

 

I have hit the search and read till I fell asleep. Still no answer to my question. I have an old can of dutch boy industrial paint. I believe it is enamel, oil base. It is orange and says flash point above 73 degrees on the top of the lid. I put a stick in it this past summer and stirred it up enough to see the color, it was dry to the touch within minutes and hard within a few hours. How do I change the color to anything else for use on trailers, frames etc. This was free and I do not want throw it away as I usually need paint more than once a year and it is not cheap. It says something about petroleum disstilate on the side as well. Thanks for any help you can give me. Bruce I looked for paint mixing here because the intro says to use existing threads and I couldn't figure how to start a new thread. Apparently I did something wrong as there is a red ****on here that I am not able to figure either. And last There must not be anyone else here that has read my post and can answer the questions I have. Thanks, Bruce

 

Yea, you know, I didn't believe this new law was true, but I thought, just in case I had better take my car to the PPG shop and color match for a fresh pint of paint. The clerck told me that its a good thing I came in because, after the first he couldn't sell it to me.

Long story short, stores are open tomorrow, so go get what you need.

 

as was stated before the fade factor has little to do with the basecoat, even your solvent based colors in base\clear systems have little to no uv protection. That is all in the clear you use on top, the better the clear the less fade. Now some colors have a tendency to be effected differently such as candies or neons in which case nothing is really going to help there. Now I work at a store in Victorville, Ca. and we will continue to sell solvent legally for at least another year or two and then like also mentioned earlier the rule only actually states that the voc level has to be below 3.5 for basecoat so you have some manufacturers developing lower voc solvent bases as we speak. Which is why you can still use solvent clear and primers since they were ordered lower voc years ago.

 

painting metal with water not agood idea does anyone remeber waterbourne primers and what about late 80 s truck primer

 

And they said slavery was dead ! The government is the master and we are the slaves! (Gona get **** for this post )

 

Theres nothing wrong with water based paints. they are tougher then the solvent paints.

 

Uh, right. Sorry, but it's the ones who would like to roll back the clock and probably like to bring back slavery that are generally opposed to government intervention and regulations. Back in 1860's the people who didn't like the government telling them what to do were fighting to keep slavery around. In some parts, they are still fighting it.

I get your point, don't agree, but still suggest you use a different ****ogy maybe. That one doesn't quite make any sense.

Cleaner air is good thing for all of us, including yourself and your family and friends. Might as well get use to it and enjoy it before the cancer sets in.

 

Water based paints are just fine, they will not rust metal as you have a sealer that goes down before the base. They will not fade differently as there is no uv protection in the base itself it is in the clear. The equipment can be expensive as you may need a different gun, and you have to add forced air dryers into your booth. Now to me this seems pointless as it is only the base coat and nothing else that is waterborne but It has no negative effects at all. The paint manufacturers will come up with a low voc compliant base that will be ok in most areas of the country, but not all. There is nothing to wory about with the change to waterborne base, it has the same durability and quality of the solvent bases.

 

you guys are acting like it's Y2K all over again. the sky is not falling and the world is not coming to an end.

 

The forced air booths are a falacy as well. All that is being used in Canada in the majority of cases is small handheld dryers basically a diffused blow gun that can be put on a stand to increase airflow over the vehicle. Water based paints are working fine in a variety of types and qualtiy of spray booths

 

He is NOT a Texan.
Neither is is Papa.

The fact that we didn't deport his *** years ago is a a constant regret.

 

Words of wisdom....thank you...

 

Well, having spent 30 years around paint and body guys I can say the smokes and the booze probably did more harm to most painters than the freakin chemicals in the paint!

Generalization I know, but far to true if you want to be honest. I know folks that used to have holes cut in their respirators for their cigs!

 

You are correct ....BUT.... the point is we have way too many smart folks telling us what is good for us.
Every day I wonder how I have lived for 50+ years with all the horrible and dangerous things I obviously have been doing for the past 50!

Same is true for how I ever survived without computers, cell phones and the "moral majority".

 

Yeah, I agree. I'm 58, so I "survived" somehow without a helmet, with lead paint, riding in the back of pickup trucks...you know the deal.
Tman is right, too. Lots of guys abused themselves along the way. Some things never change.
On a side note, we all did OK without cellphones ( I used mine for 4 minutes last year!) and all the gizmos. But thats a rant for another day.

 

It used to drive me crazy that at my paint shop for a time I had this crew in the 90's that I made sure always had a fresh respirator and dust respirator hanging by their box. It is expensive, but I felt my moral obligation. But they would not use it a lot of the time painting or priming, but would instead breathe in through their cigarette and claim it was a good filter for the paint. I wonder what the isocyanates being incinerated into the cigarette did. Make cleaner air or worse poison?

But it is a free country, that is why I don't paint much in house, just one special car a year, we sub the paintwork out, I have ingested my share.

wil
www.sakowskimotors.com

 

Dang, some of you guys have taken this thread so far off topic. It also seems that some of you have interpreted what you want to see not what was actually written.

I will repeat it one last time: I have no issue with using waterborne base coat for a complete paint job. It has yet to be proven that waterborne paint will behave like and fade at the same rate as solvent base, when painted adjacent to each other. The paint pros with whom I have spoken say exactly that - nobody knows for sure as there simple has not been enough time to observe the degradation or aging process of the various paint types. This is why I suggested it might be an idea to stock up on solvent base coat while you can, if you have an existing solvent based paint job. At least then you do not take so much of a risk if you have to repaint a panel or two.

This thread was not about ethics, politics, environmental issues, work practices or health issues - but purely about paint matching and paint fidelity. Please can we please keep it on track. Thanks guys.

 

California - order your auto paint now!

Or zip over to Nevada...Or Arizona to buy it.

 

weeze...
pigment is pigment no matter what base you put it in.

thats the bottom line.

the base is nothing more than transfer medium and binder.

when the solvents evaporate, you have binder and pigment.

pigment is pigment, no matter what base its in.

UV protection is in the clear.

thats the bottom line.

you can base a car with urethane and no clear and it will fade.

you can paint a car with WB and high quality clear and it will stand up.

UV protection is in the clear.

and please dont go on with this business about what the "paint pros" are saying. they havent been painting mercedes, audis, bmws and porsches with factory WB paint.

when you paint and sell a $40-70k car, the paint had better not fade.

its a big ol 'sky is falling' melodrama because fume huffers are afraid of learning how to shoot a different base.

 

can we please kill this stupid ****in thread already>>>?????