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Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by hemi rodder, Dec 10, 2011.

  1. hemi rodder
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    Hi, i am looking for your experience with hemi's for a decision on camshafts, i have chosen plenty of cams for small and big block and even the newer style ls chevy engines, but not surefor my hemi, the engine is a 354 1956 ind bored .060 and about 9.0 -1 to 10.0-1 compression ratio, heads are the 354 with 2"intake and 1.75 ext, will have headders, and a horn 4x2 intake with 4 ford 94's. what i am looking for in a rough and choppy idle. i am not looking for maximum hp, want it to be loud and nasty, will be auto with a sthall to match the cam, i have a camaro 2002 with a strocked 6.6 and a 236-242 cam fuel inj. 500rwhp to drive in the long trips, love the sound, the hemi will go into a roadster for the local drives. sound for me is half the enjoyement of the car. any sugestions for the hemi?
     
  2. I had one ground last year by Crower. It was supposed to be the hot ticket back in the '60s. I am going to fire the thing up this week, so I will let you know what it sounds like. 292 duration and 404 lift.
     
  3. buckd
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    In '64 The guys at Clay Smith cams regroung a cam for my 354 that had 292 duration and 413 lift. I'm not sure if a regrind can get any badder than that without welding the lobes. My motor was running 2 4bbl carters and
    11.5:1 jahnes pistons. Sounded mean and turned in the 11s in the quarter.BUCKD
     
  4. krooser
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    I'd call george at Clay Smith or have Doug Herbert's outfit grind one of Chet's old grinds for ya...
     
  5. hemi rodder
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    i was looking at ordering an engine kit from hotheads, they have a selection of cam's to chose from, if possible i would go with one from there list.
     
  6. hey man... give JERRY at SCHNEIDER a call... He has always done us right, just did a stick for us for our six deuce full built 354 in our 'A' coupe.. PM me for the numbers if you want ill go dig up the cam card...I dont need everyone knowing my "camshaft secrets"... Lets just say it idles like a USAC sprint car.. and actually makes performance. Not some ******** custom idles so slow it sounds like its going to die grind.


    For a great price too!



    TH
     
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  7. 73RR
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    If all you want is an ugly idle and don't really care how well it runs beyond that then use a Comp Cams Thumper. If you choose to regrind your stock shaft we can help with that for 'normal' grinds.

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  8. krooser
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    While I have purchased some stuff from Hot Heads I think there are better places to spend your $$$... try 73RR for instance.

    I used Venolia for my pistons, Clay Smith for the cam and TR Waters for my trans adaptor.

    The guy with the biggest website isn't always the best.
     
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  9. hemi rodder
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  10. deucemac
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    Boy do I second that idea. I've used Jerry Cantrell and Schneider cams for lots of years and NEVER EVER had a problem. Back when I was smart and knew everything, I would call or drop by there and tell Jerry what I wanted. He would always ask what I was doing and just what parts I had(ie. motor size, tires, rear gears, trans,and stuff). from there he would grind what I needed not necessarily what I thought I wanted. My current roadster has a 354 with 392 standard pistons, 354 heads with 426 valves and ports m***aged by Joe Reath. I called Jerry and did his usual magic with a 435/288 grind. It idles like a fueler and runs like Jack the bear! You can talk to lots of people but you can not go wrong with Schneider! (619) 297-0227 and ask to talk to Jerry himself. And NO I'm not on his payroll either!
     
  11. lippy
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    Engle always had good hemi grinds. On fuel anyway. :)
     
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  13. Danny G
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    Not all the cam grinders have cores which is a problem.
     
  14. lippy
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    Run a roller billit then.:)
     
  15. George
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  16. krooser
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    This guy... http://www.QualityEngineeredComponents.com/?page_id=83

    He has posted on this thread... a member in good standing here and very knowledgeable.

    Do a search here for Scooter McRad's "hemi tech" series... lots of real world info.
     
  17. hemi rodder
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    has anybody tried hotheads 280 cam, 236@.050, i have a 236-242@ .050 roller in my inj. 2002 camaro now and it idle choppy
     
  18. hemi rodder
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    they have a 108 and or 112 lobe separation
     
  19. Just Gary
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    I have a 354 similar to yours that'll be bolted to a Turbo 700R4 in a '28 Tudor highboy. Pistons are cast 392 10:1, resulting in ~10.3:1 in this combo. Cam is a Schneider 280 hydraulic grind: 224*@0.050/0.435” lift/108*LSA.

    Details and pictures are in this thread:
    http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=575141

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  20. hemi rodder
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    very nice, did you ever get a sound clip, would like to hear, also you said you used 392 pistons in you 354??
     
  21. George
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    392 pistons can be used in a 354 IF you go to max overbore, sonic check isn't a bad idea. Unless there's been a bunch of milling on block & heads your C/R will be 1 point less than advertised for the 392. I.E 10:1 will actually be 9:1 in the 354 due to less swept volume(shorter stroke).
     
  22. ago
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    Comp Cams said they don't make a Thumper grind for the 354. Just for the 392. For the uninformed a 392 cam won't work in a 354.


    Ago
     
  23. 73RR
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    They could if they had cores...An update with this in mind...
    We are, once again, dealing with a limited number of fresh cores. There is only one company casting cores that feed all of the 'big' guys and inventory is dwindling according to the four company's that I checked with yesterday. Some have none with no new production dates.

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  24. hemi rodder
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    i was leaning more towards the 108 lobe separation cam, what do you's think.
     
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    73 RR,

    What about regrind on a stock cam?


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  26. 73RR
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    On a real good core we have gone as far as 243 @ 50 and .500 lift.
    Obviously, the base circle will be small, but still doable.

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  27. hemi rodder
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    i am up here in Canada, and for me to ship out a core and to get it back is time consuming and sometime expensive. i would rather order out right a cam.
     
  28. 73RR
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    Your position is understandable. Troll the web and see if you can find a regrind that suits your needs as is, or, if you can buy a core, have it shipped to the cam grinder of your choice and returned to you.

    This process, of course, then takes one more core (yours) out of circulation.

    .
     
  29. coopsdaddy
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    Has any one used a thumper hemi cam,if so which one and did you like it?
     
  30. George
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    No. Some have reported that they make noise, not power. Power to the posers. Would be interesting to see some real numbers.
     

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