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Hot Rods ~~~Can I Use Regular Old SS Bolts...???~~~

Discussion in 'The Hokey Ass Message Board' started by cactus1, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. ...from the hardware store to bolt the aluminum 3x2 intake back on my 283?
    I know about the galling and the anti-seize (though I seem to be finding conflicting info on that as well.)

    What do you say???
     
  2. flatheadpete
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  3. Most SS bolts are actually grade 2 but that is better the most hardware store grade -1 bolts. And yes, antiseize is your friend. Some of the better bolt stores offer a SS flat washer with a rubber gasket bonded to it, great for some engines where oil can "wick" up the bolt and on the intake, for example, I just built a 390 Ford for my new project and discovered they are a "wick" engine and I used those washers and it works great!
     
  4. Tommy's Cycle
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    Dissimilar metals can always be problematic but a good antiseize like Swagelok's Silver Goop or ARP's paste can help alleviate. Most fasteners sold by hardware stores are 18-8,(304) and the tensile strength is nearing grade 5. 316 stainless will have more corrosion resistance and are great for marine environments.
     
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  5. Tommy's Cycle
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    Minimal tensile strength on a 18-8 1/4" HHCS should be 100,000 - 125,000 psi minimum, grade 2 would only be 74K.
     
  6. Keep in mind torque. I ran a SS bolt kit on the Touring. the intake bolts took several heat/cool cycles before they held a steady torque. I think I tightened them 3 or 4 times?
     
  7. 19Fordy
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    Would it help if you ran a die over the SS bolts just to clean them up and reduce possibility of galling? Try one along with anti seize and see if you notice a difference. Don't over torque.
     
  8. 57 HEAP
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    Actually, simular metals gall together and dis-simular not so much. Can it happen, yes, but less likely.

    That said, I would use grade 5 or 8 bolts, if you want shiney, get them plated.
     
  9. Thanks for all the quick replies. I like the idea of the rubber-backed washers and was thinking about something like that last night.

    Trent, the torque was actually the main reason I asked the question. I thought I'd get a lot more "no's" then "yes's"!

    Please continue...
     
  10. unkledaddy
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    For engine dress I use the stainless hex-heads which I sand smooth, then buff. I've not had any problems with torque or galling.

    I buy them at a local fastener store and I'm sure they're the cheapest Chinese ones on the market.
     
  11. tommy
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    SS intake bolts will work just fine with anti seize on an intake. There really is not that big a load on these bolts.

    Suspension bolts are a different kettle of fish. Stay away from SS bolts for heavy load situations.

    I bought SS bolts, lock washers and nuts for the rear spreader bar on my Deuce. I did not use the anti-seize. Yeah one side seized up before it got tight. It wont go on and it won't come off.

    SS bolts are not paper mache but they are not grade 8 bolts either. Just think about the load on the bolts before you make your selection.
     
  12. Cool. Thanks everyone for the insight, recommendations, and opinions!
     
  13. bobss396
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    You won't get any appreciable reaction with 18-8 and cast iron. They can run as low as 74ksi tensile strength, but the torque is fairly low on intake hardware. Agree with using garden-variety never seize on them.

    Bob
     
  14. This thread indicates that your truck should be running again any day now!
     
  15. Haha! Yup, I started putting it back together last night. I spent the morning at the swap meet and now Ima get back out to the shop!
     
  16. Roger Walling
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    There is a special antisize for SS hardware. It contains copper instead of graffite.
     

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