Technical Can someone ID these spoke rims

My brother and I picked up a car two weeks ago, and the seller threw in a set of old spoke rims. We tried to ID them, but had no luck. Any help would be appreciated. they are 16 1/2" edge to edge, and the bolt pattern measures 5 on 4 1/2.

 

Maybe Chrysler product. Are there any stampings on the back side of the hub? Chrysler product wire wheels are adjustable. Ford wheels are not. I don't believe Chevy wheels are, either.

 

No stamping anywhere on the rim.

 

This is the back side of the rim.

 

Looks like Kelsey Hayes

 

That is what I was thinking, too.

 

Any thoughts as to what brand of car? Were Kelsey Hayes aftermarket back then, or were they on production cars? I know in the 50's they came stock on some Thunderbirds.

 

read this?

http://chrysler300country.com/motor_rim_wheels.htm

 

Plymouth and Dodge optional wheels. The Ply/Do wheels differ from Chrysler/DeSoto in the way the spokes are laced in the outer flange. The Chrysler/DeSoto are laced only into the drop center portion of the wheel. Also, the extra holes for the mounting ***ist pin tend to suggest Mopar.

Ray

 

what Ray said......

 

So according to the link Jim posted, these resemble 57 Desoto rims. They don't seem to match the Plymouth and Dodge. The only thing I can't figure out is why the ones we have are painted steel, and the ones shown in the link are all chrome plated. I appreciate everyone's feedback.

 

^^^^^^are we looking at the same photo? I just read Jim's linked article carefully and it seems to support what I said in my earlier post. Look at the spoke lacing in the outer flange of the rim. That is Dod/Ply only. How do you conclude that your wheel matches a description for a "57 Desoto" wheel?

Ray

 

Well, I just took this picture from the link provided by Jim. It certainly looks like the rim I have.

 

From the same link, this wheel is listed as a Dodge. Am I missing something? I am going by the pictures in the gallery attached to the link.

 

Thank you for the reply. From the photo in post #13, I can see where and why you said what you did about being from a '57 DeSoto. However, it's appearance on the car pictured doesn't necessarily prove it's 'correct' for it, only that it was used on it. Based on the spoke lacing, it appears to me to be a Dodge/Ply wheel. The wheel pictured in post #14 is correct for Chrysler and DeSoto, and certainly will fit a Dodge, but is not what the factory supplied on Dodges.

All these Mopar wire wheels were optional on cars from the earlier '50s, thru '56 for sure, but I am skeptical about '57 and later. The '57 Mopars used 14" wheels on the vast majority of production models and so far as I have ever known, no 14" Mopar wires were ever offered. However many of these wheels, OEM and reproduction, haved been retrofitted without regard for originality.

I have no desire to press this into a debate. I am simply stating what I believe I have learned about these wheels from decades of exposure to them. Certainly I can be in error about this or any number of other matters.

Ray

 

Ray, I am no expert, which is why I asked for help. As stated, the rims could be incorrect in the pictures. I have no intention of furthering my end of this when I obviously know nothing about them. Hence, my reason for asking in the first place.

 

Those wheels look like 15" MOPAR from the 50's.

.......................... Jack

 

Your wheel looks like plymouth/dodge wheels to me....chrysler wheels have the spokes installed in the center of the wheel rimas has been stated. If the wheels were chrome plated [like my chrysler wheels were] it appears they were probably sand blasted and painted like mine were.

 

Those aren't rims, they're WHEELS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

yes, thank you!

 

Depends on what part of town and what city in KCMO they would be called wheelrins in "the neighborhood" (that would be watts (or south central LA?) in your part of the world).

Carl . . . is correct the entire unit is a wheel, the rim or hoop as it is called by some wheel makers is the part around the outside where the tire mounts.


Someone asked about Kelsey Hayes being an aftermarket company. They were a wheel supplier for several car companies, I think Ford is the most commonly recognized car manufacturer. In the '70s Kelsey Hayes was repoping the bent spoke Ford wheel for a time. Maybe it wasn't a repop as they were the original manufacturer (I think). I don't know if they marketed them or if someone marketed them for Kelsey Hayes though.

 

The real tip off on these wheels ,is the guide pin holes between the lugs.
If my memory serves me correctly, only Buick and Mopar used lug bolts
instead of lug nuts during the '50's.

.............................. Jack

 

They are Plymouth. I had a set on my '28. They use the same center cap as all the other Mopar wire wheels.